O-Day - Cosmic Dave's potentially very important Bagel finding
O-Day - Cosmic Dave's potentially very important Bagel finding
Bagels without T1 ferromagnetic core, may not have persistent e-field
Cosmic Dave found that a 1,2,3,4 - tor wound on a ferrite core and powered by 30Hz would produce a persistent e-field after power is turned off and disconnected as predicted by Nevessky and Zvirblis. Note, this coil did not produce any fields when unattached. Dave appears to have also shown that this type of ‘bagel’ can produce a persistent e-field that persists in part when the bagel is removed from its original position, with some of the e-field travelling with the disconnected bagel.
The field collapses after a period of time in one case in around an hour. If placed on an anti-static mat, no field persists.
In contrast, testing of a 1,2,3,4 - tor wound on non-ferrous polymer fishing line produced little if any persistent e-field.
This is early data, however, Dave has done several tests with the first ferrous core bagel and a few with the fishing line cored one and the difference is apparent. At this stage, if these findings hold out to further scrutiny, then one might expect bagels to require a ferrous core.
Given what we have seen in VEGA experiments, where it seams that Fe appears in the magnetic core sheaths of exotic vacuum object spheres and toroids at a range of scales, it looks as if Dave has replicated on a macro scale what is observed in nature as a means of enhancing field strength and therefore I believe at this stage that people attempting to build bagels for other experiments, should do so with a ferrous core.
exciting
At 1:08, note that the electric field goes to zero briefly, then comes back when he reaches for the meter. Wondering about that.
Also bizarre that his coils are a mess - I would hardly call that symmetry. And yet the phenomena appears.
Would love to see what a nearby antenna picks ups before-during-after.
Keep up the exciting work.
It is difficult to draw firm conclusions at this stage. The first thing that concerns me is the geometric dimension (ratios) and symmetry of the structure: this should be very important to trigger the effect (as per Maxwell equations). But the Dave's structure does'n appear to have neither the proper and constant ratios neither a very good symmetry. So, are we observing some very incipient effect, or just an artifact? (Working with fields at these frequencies is not easy: interference are ubiquitous and very hard to spot and get rid off: they even depend on the operator position and movements). The other important thing to consider is the power input to the tor structure: no mention of that. Of course more power will imply an increased probability to trigger and observe the effect. The fact that the ferrite core seems to work better may be due to the about 1000x magnetic permeability of the material, that just dramatically increase the B field for any given input current. Finally, since the "phantom" structure should be somewhat resonant in space (i.e. it should have a self resonance frequency depending on the physical dimensions), it could be a good idea to power the tor structure with just a big current pulse: the phantom should be exited to its resonant frequency, that will be something different from the one generated by the instruments (in fact the signal generator will not even needed anymore).