It is difficult to draw firm conclusions at this stage. The first thing that concerns me is the geometric dimension (ratios) and symmetry of the structure: this should be very important to trigger the effect (as per Maxwell equations). But the Dave's structure does'n appear to have neither the proper and constant ratios neither a very go…
It is difficult to draw firm conclusions at this stage. The first thing that concerns me is the geometric dimension (ratios) and symmetry of the structure: this should be very important to trigger the effect (as per Maxwell equations). But the Dave's structure does'n appear to have neither the proper and constant ratios neither a very good symmetry. So, are we observing some very incipient effect, or just an artifact? (Working with fields at these frequencies is not easy: interference are ubiquitous and very hard to spot and get rid off: they even depend on the operator position and movements). The other important thing to consider is the power input to the tor structure: no mention of that. Of course more power will imply an increased probability to trigger and observe the effect. The fact that the ferrite core seems to work better may be due to the about 1000x magnetic permeability of the material, that just dramatically increase the B field for any given input current. Finally, since the "phantom" structure should be somewhat resonant in space (i.e. it should have a self resonance frequency depending on the physical dimensions), it could be a good idea to power the tor structure with just a big current pulse: the phantom should be exited to its resonant frequency, that will be something different from the one generated by the instruments (in fact the signal generator will not even needed anymore).
Well Zhvirblis notes that at the frequencies used, relative to the diameter of these bagels, the wavelength makes these systems act as a point.
Secondly, Peter, on the live Zoom discussion, noted that he did not think it was particularly important that the arrangement be precise - the field would self organise. We have seen that the structure can distort and certainly, with a lower number of turns at the 3 level, there is more flexibility as we have seen the frozen n-tori on the VEGA Valley eastern plateau can be rather rubbery in their collapse.
I think it is an interesting idea to apply an intense pulse, of course in the case of Cosmic Dave's Bagels, the 1T level wire is very fine so this must be taken into consideration. If the 4T persistent E-Field can be produced with just a pulse, that would be very useful.
A short current pulse features a relatively low average power (also from a thermal point of view) but may have a peak value that can be order of magnitudes grater than an equivalent continuous sinusoidal power (RMS). You may simply start just discharging an electrolytic capacitor into the tor, or by applying a DC until the steady state voltage is reached (probably less than 1 second is OK), then opening abruptly the circuit. You will get a pulse due to the back-emf pulse.
It is difficult to draw firm conclusions at this stage. The first thing that concerns me is the geometric dimension (ratios) and symmetry of the structure: this should be very important to trigger the effect (as per Maxwell equations). But the Dave's structure does'n appear to have neither the proper and constant ratios neither a very good symmetry. So, are we observing some very incipient effect, or just an artifact? (Working with fields at these frequencies is not easy: interference are ubiquitous and very hard to spot and get rid off: they even depend on the operator position and movements). The other important thing to consider is the power input to the tor structure: no mention of that. Of course more power will imply an increased probability to trigger and observe the effect. The fact that the ferrite core seems to work better may be due to the about 1000x magnetic permeability of the material, that just dramatically increase the B field for any given input current. Finally, since the "phantom" structure should be somewhat resonant in space (i.e. it should have a self resonance frequency depending on the physical dimensions), it could be a good idea to power the tor structure with just a big current pulse: the phantom should be exited to its resonant frequency, that will be something different from the one generated by the instruments (in fact the signal generator will not even needed anymore).
Well Zhvirblis notes that at the frequencies used, relative to the diameter of these bagels, the wavelength makes these systems act as a point.
Secondly, Peter, on the live Zoom discussion, noted that he did not think it was particularly important that the arrangement be precise - the field would self organise. We have seen that the structure can distort and certainly, with a lower number of turns at the 3 level, there is more flexibility as we have seen the frozen n-tori on the VEGA Valley eastern plateau can be rather rubbery in their collapse.
I think it is an interesting idea to apply an intense pulse, of course in the case of Cosmic Dave's Bagels, the 1T level wire is very fine so this must be taken into consideration. If the 4T persistent E-Field can be produced with just a pulse, that would be very useful.
I will calculate how high a current the wire can handle.
Very wise!
A short current pulse features a relatively low average power (also from a thermal point of view) but may have a peak value that can be order of magnitudes grater than an equivalent continuous sinusoidal power (RMS). You may simply start just discharging an electrolytic capacitor into the tor, or by applying a DC until the steady state voltage is reached (probably less than 1 second is OK), then opening abruptly the circuit. You will get a pulse due to the back-emf pulse.
Yes, I can safely do a short DC pulse. I shall keep the 100kV (flash-over test) Leyden jar in the cupboard at this stage.
Er, yeh - keep that in the cupboard!