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exciting

At 1:08, note that the electric field goes to zero briefly, then comes back when he reaches for the meter. Wondering about that.

Also bizarre that his coils are a mess - I would hardly call that symmetry. And yet the phenomena appears.

Would love to see what a nearby antenna picks ups before-during-after.

Keep up the exciting work.

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The persistent E-Field is predicted by Nevessky and Zhvirblis for a 1,2,3,4-tor even order structure like this. Dave sees nothing (E or M) on Fe or non-Fe coils before power turned on, so no induction. In the case of Fe core tor he states he has seen a persistent though lower intensity E-Field in the original location, even when the switched off tor is moved to a new position - the tor carried part of the field with it.

If he tries to build a persistent field on an ESD matt, it does not work. This supports the finding by John Hutchison that he saw no effects unless his samples were on an insulating base - such as Wood or plastic crate.

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Yes, that was when I moved the coil across the room after an experiment had finished and it brought 66% of the field with it and left the rest behind. That was really weird! I shall try that again and record it this time. I need to find an easy way of emptying my phone memory, all devices were full at that moment.

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Jun 1, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

Thank you Michael, it is exciting. For some reason there are dead zones in the field, 1:08 the power is still on so it may be the meter is re calibrating or something else? I do not know for sure. The coil was tidy earlier but it still worked when even after falling loose, it is now back to tidy again. I repeated again in an earthed Faraday cage/fine mesh arrangement and that destroyed the field immediately. Antennae only show mains hum near wall, the field near phone and spikes from Wi-Fi, the highest readings were found to be 32-35mV at rear of table. I have not put antennae very close to active experiment as yet, but can do, it may pull the field down though?

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What diameter ferrite core did you use?

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It was 0.8 mm diameter soft steel, high Fe content.

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Thank you

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Yuck, modern world problems, the signal I am looking for if dwarfed by the mains & my wi-fi

yup....argh

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Jun 1, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

It depends on the EM frequency you are looking for. You can make directional and other bespoke antenna if you know what you want to tune in to. But yes, there is much more localized EM fog about these days.

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Alan Goldwater suggests

"Simply ramp down the AC voltage over several seconds before shutting off or disconnecting the drive signal. A change in either of the field measurements will give us important data."

To test magnetic remnant field effect.

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Jun 3, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

OK, I can try that. I've mounted the Fe Bagel on a board now so it is easier to plug and unplug. Tomorrow I hope to make a video. I briefly tested the Fe Bagel earlier and it still works, now waiting for the E field to disappear before experimenting again.

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Glad to here it still performs. Can you mount it vertically and see if the field shape is the same on both sides?

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Jun 2, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

It is difficult to draw firm conclusions at this stage. The first thing that concerns me is the geometric dimension (ratios) and symmetry of the structure: this should be very important to trigger the effect (as per Maxwell equations). But the Dave's structure does'n appear to have neither the proper and constant ratios neither a very good symmetry. So, are we observing some very incipient effect, or just an artifact? (Working with fields at these frequencies is not easy: interference are ubiquitous and very hard to spot and get rid off: they even depend on the operator position and movements). The other important thing to consider is the power input to the tor structure: no mention of that. Of course more power will imply an increased probability to trigger and observe the effect. The fact that the ferrite core seems to work better may be due to the about 1000x magnetic permeability of the material, that just dramatically increase the B field for any given input current. Finally, since the "phantom" structure should be somewhat resonant in space (i.e. it should have a self resonance frequency depending on the physical dimensions), it could be a good idea to power the tor structure with just a big current pulse: the phantom should be exited to its resonant frequency, that will be something different from the one generated by the instruments (in fact the signal generator will not even needed anymore).

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Well Zhvirblis notes that at the frequencies used, relative to the diameter of these bagels, the wavelength makes these systems act as a point.

Secondly, Peter, on the live Zoom discussion, noted that he did not think it was particularly important that the arrangement be precise - the field would self organise. We have seen that the structure can distort and certainly, with a lower number of turns at the 3 level, there is more flexibility as we have seen the frozen n-tori on the VEGA Valley eastern plateau can be rather rubbery in their collapse.

I think it is an interesting idea to apply an intense pulse, of course in the case of Cosmic Dave's Bagels, the 1T level wire is very fine so this must be taken into consideration. If the 4T persistent E-Field can be produced with just a pulse, that would be very useful.

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Jun 3, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

I will calculate how high a current the wire can handle.

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Very wise!

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A short current pulse features a relatively low average power (also from a thermal point of view) but may have a peak value that can be order of magnitudes grater than an equivalent continuous sinusoidal power (RMS). You may simply start just discharging an electrolytic capacitor into the tor, or by applying a DC until the steady state voltage is reached (probably less than 1 second is OK), then opening abruptly the circuit. You will get a pulse due to the back-emf pulse.

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Jun 4, 2022·edited Jun 4, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

Yes, I can safely do a short DC pulse. I shall keep the 100kV (flash-over test) Leyden jar in the cupboard at this stage.

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Er, yeh - keep that in the cupboard!

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Jun 2, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

Can you comment on the construction, maybe a cross-section of the bagel coil? Is the ferrous core the toroidal ring or the center of the spiral winding?

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The T1 coil (VERY FINE) has the Fe rich core in the one that appeared to produce the persistent field. You can see it being wound here:

https://youtu.be/kk5u2xrtriI

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The reason behind this iron core effect is that the magnetic field produced by the coil induces a rearrangement of the spin states in the atoms of the iron so that these spins generate the angular momentum required to polarize the vacuum.

An experiment using magnetic dust could make visible the magnetic field patterns being produced by the coil and the iron.

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Perpendicular FE cored bagel test...just uploaded at https://youtu.be/f7IyqgcTABM E field remains as before.

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-----

A POEM WRITTEN SPECIALLY FOR BOB, ABOUT BOB:

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There once was a scholar named Zhvirblis,

Who proclaimed that the Phantom's not serious:

He just couldn't perceive that magnificient weave,

The topology which makes us delirious.

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In hindsight, he realized his err,

And reprised in despair, a repair.

But he was too late, they had fled from the gate,

He wanted to reach them, but where?

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Then along came a maverick named Bob,

Who took up 'The Great Work', as a job.

He said, "It's all donuts", fundamental components,

"Even those string-vortex kebabs".

Full text of poem about BOB, for BOB is HERE: https://pastebin.com/RjDF7G6U

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Jun 3, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

Wow! I know I'm not Bob so I hope you won't mind me reading it, but this poem is really great!! Thanks for writing and sharing it! This part "(And it's also the shape of your genes!)" reminded me of an image I'de seen of how the DNA folds into a nested torus when activated appropriately. :) Also the part about "Remember that Kali is known to rally, Where emotions and senses do call her." reminded me of how the natives summon gods with intense physical emotional ritual. Keep dropping the truth bombs :D

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Hey Guys. This is fantastic work, bravo Dave, you have my gratitude!! If you accept donations and they would help for this work I can probably send $50 or something. This whole ferrite core thing reminds me of two things which I can't find the reference for the first one with ease but if people want it I will try and dig them up (by search google transcripts for videos).

The first was an interview with Dan Winter where he explicitly said the red mercury in the nazi bell was due to iron.

The second was something mentioned by Walter Bosley regarding the 1800's airship mystery craft said regarding how their technology worked. There is no mention of iron, but it was indeed a powder they were adding to the fluid they dispersed on the rotating drum. I'm wondering if perhaps it was iron filings...

https://youtu.be/SmwKh2gnzxs?t=4619 (the relevant portion regarding technology)

https://youtu.be/SmwKh2gnzxs?t=4722 (Are those phi golden ratio triangles on that spinning drum... silly me of course they are ...)

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Interesting video link, thank you Peter. I have Iron Filings and Ferro-fluid to experiment with at some point soon. I plan to make another Fe Super-tor soon. I am also thinking of making a super-super-tor T5 one day so may need some funding help for the T5 one. We shall see.

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Jun 3, 2022·edited Jun 4, 2022

Hey Dave, Just an idea for a future variation. Maybe make one with very fine grade silicone tubing in the inside (1mm OD variety available here https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001597293016.html). Then you can test it with different liquids with powders dispersed in them. :) One could even use a larger grade tubing on the higher windings. Then you could put either the same or different liquids in the higher order windings. It would give you a larger dimensionality of tests you could perform with a single coil. (If we are under the assumption that the core material that occupies the counter field is important to the function of the device). Also if you were open to taking orders for such coils I would probably be interested in one some day :) (building the winding machine looks like a a pretty large upfront investment of time/energy)

EDIT: After watching the video bob linked above of your machine in operation, I'm thinking silicon tubing would likely lack the rigidity necessary to bend the wire being wound around it, as such it may not be feasible to use it as a core given the current fabrication approach.

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Did you turn off the power of the signal generator and the power amplifier? And unplug them?Is that how you discovered the electromagnetic phantom of the bagel coil?

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