Simulation and study of a black hole using a water vortex as there are many commonalities between the two.
Yep, can’t argue with that.
There appears to be no contact details with the article, however, otherwise I would have suggested to Prof. Weinfurtner to come over to the MFMP as I am sure she would find it enlightening - highly compelling even 🙂: of course, she may already have done so 🙂 but the article didn’t mention it ☹️
Yes it is a great achievement to get where you are already in such a short time. Definitely work on the resonances. I see it as a impressive the objects don’t just fall out
I would like to propose a thought experiment that may later be turned into a full iteration of the windhexe.
This thought was sparked by Bob’s recent long form presentation of his ICCF-25 “Practical Applications of the Fractal Torodial Moment”.
In the discussion, he mentions a tor of a tor of a tor (and I get a little bit confused as to which layer tor is which), being the basic building block of matter. He also point us to Bostick’s work ( If I recall correctly) making small galaxies in a test tube. Further mentions the need of oxygen in the working medium as being critical for the LENR action to proceed.
So for the thought experiment:
In the current configuration, we should be expecting that we are injecting some oxygen into the windhexe along with the other constituents of regular room air into a one level tor, or possibly a two level tor through the vertical slit whistle. We also expect that water content of the feed material will be removed somehow (by breaking the water’s bonds? Or by conversion into steam?).
Lets now modify this input feed by injecting activated oxygen in the form of ozone. Ozone has a oxidizing power of 2.42 which is quite high.
“Ozone has one of the highest oxidation potentials, lower only than flruorine atom, oxygen atom, and hydroxyl radical. Some of the reactions of ozone create the oxygen atom and hydroxyl radical to create an even higher oxidation potential than ozone alone.
Because of the high oxidation potetnail the oxygen molecule has a high capacity to react with many compounds not easiy oxidized by other chemicals. This potential is especially important reactions with some inorganic species such as FE+2 and I-. However, in many cases there is no explicit electron transfer, but rather an oxygen transfer from the ozone molecule to the other compound.” - https://www.oxidationtech.com/blog/oxidation-potential-of-ozone-2/
Lets also inject some steam or water vapor into the air stream to let the ozone work with the possibly separated oxygen atom from the water.
Now, lets turn our attention to the mechanics of what we are doing:
The vertical whistle should be generating a turbulent mix of vortical and some laminar flow streams into the main windhexe vortex.
What would happen if we designed a tor of a tor of a tor of our specially modified input feed as per above, and injected these (at the least three level tors) into the main vortex of the windhexe?
Lets modify the input whistle in our thought experiment by starting with the smallest 1 level tor. This is built by rifling the length of a small air nozzle with 48 riffles twisting in a vortex rifle pattern down the nozzle. This creates our 1st level tor inside this nozzle.
There are four such small air nozzles per each of the main air injection ports or whistle locations for a total of 16 rifled air nozzles.
These four air nozzles are angled into a tube that inputs into one of the main windhexe ports creating in this tube our 2 level tor.
This tube is also angled into the windhexe at an upwards and forwards direction.
When the 2 level tors emerge from their tube into the main vortex ring in the windhexe they then become the 3rd level tor of the main vortex inside the windhexe.
Instead of relying on the whistle turbulence to self organize our tors into multi level tors, we have engineered our streams to do what we would have done with the bagel windings in the bagel game.
As Harry mentions in an above comment, how about "DC current"? If we incorporate insulated metallic nozzles of a charged potential of several kilovolts compared to the grounded body of the windhexe, we may not need external ozone generators at all. Either way, ozone gets produced and ready to oxidize the feed material. What would happen if we also introduced some HHO into the mix? We could try it ignited or not. Should be some interesting results.
Thanks for the comment and the reference - it is intended that at some point an arc discharge is applied to the input gasses - this will create some ozone.
Rifling has also been considered, the tubes feeding the slit are at an angle - you are more specific though.
We hope that with temperature, water and ionisation we may reach the properties that deliver the initial claims. Then we can build on that.
Interesting article here in the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jul/14/black-holes-bathtubs-vortex-simulating-nottingham-university
Simulation and study of a black hole using a water vortex as there are many commonalities between the two.
Yep, can’t argue with that.
There appears to be no contact details with the article, however, otherwise I would have suggested to Prof. Weinfurtner to come over to the MFMP as I am sure she would find it enlightening - highly compelling even 🙂: of course, she may already have done so 🙂 but the article didn’t mention it ☹️
Makes sense to research it that way.
Her contact details, cv and publications can be found at:
https://www.gravitylaboratory.com/people/weinfurtner-silke#
Many thanks
Excellent! Thanks Robb (great work!) and Bob this cool prototype and Test.
Yes it is a great achievement to get where you are already in such a short time. Definitely work on the resonances. I see it as a impressive the objects don’t just fall out
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qag8vep5Ypg&feature=share9
41 minutes in has anyone heard of this stuff?
Great work, Tony. You are doing amazing work.
Dc current?
I would like to propose a thought experiment that may later be turned into a full iteration of the windhexe.
This thought was sparked by Bob’s recent long form presentation of his ICCF-25 “Practical Applications of the Fractal Torodial Moment”.
In the discussion, he mentions a tor of a tor of a tor (and I get a little bit confused as to which layer tor is which), being the basic building block of matter. He also point us to Bostick’s work ( If I recall correctly) making small galaxies in a test tube. Further mentions the need of oxygen in the working medium as being critical for the LENR action to proceed.
So for the thought experiment:
In the current configuration, we should be expecting that we are injecting some oxygen into the windhexe along with the other constituents of regular room air into a one level tor, or possibly a two level tor through the vertical slit whistle. We also expect that water content of the feed material will be removed somehow (by breaking the water’s bonds? Or by conversion into steam?).
Lets now modify this input feed by injecting activated oxygen in the form of ozone. Ozone has a oxidizing power of 2.42 which is quite high.
“Ozone has one of the highest oxidation potentials, lower only than flruorine atom, oxygen atom, and hydroxyl radical. Some of the reactions of ozone create the oxygen atom and hydroxyl radical to create an even higher oxidation potential than ozone alone.
Because of the high oxidation potetnail the oxygen molecule has a high capacity to react with many compounds not easiy oxidized by other chemicals. This potential is especially important reactions with some inorganic species such as FE+2 and I-. However, in many cases there is no explicit electron transfer, but rather an oxygen transfer from the ozone molecule to the other compound.” - https://www.oxidationtech.com/blog/oxidation-potential-of-ozone-2/
Lets also inject some steam or water vapor into the air stream to let the ozone work with the possibly separated oxygen atom from the water.
Now, lets turn our attention to the mechanics of what we are doing:
The vertical whistle should be generating a turbulent mix of vortical and some laminar flow streams into the main windhexe vortex.
What would happen if we designed a tor of a tor of a tor of our specially modified input feed as per above, and injected these (at the least three level tors) into the main vortex of the windhexe?
Lets modify the input whistle in our thought experiment by starting with the smallest 1 level tor. This is built by rifling the length of a small air nozzle with 48 riffles twisting in a vortex rifle pattern down the nozzle. This creates our 1st level tor inside this nozzle.
There are four such small air nozzles per each of the main air injection ports or whistle locations for a total of 16 rifled air nozzles.
These four air nozzles are angled into a tube that inputs into one of the main windhexe ports creating in this tube our 2 level tor.
This tube is also angled into the windhexe at an upwards and forwards direction.
When the 2 level tors emerge from their tube into the main vortex ring in the windhexe they then become the 3rd level tor of the main vortex inside the windhexe.
Instead of relying on the whistle turbulence to self organize our tors into multi level tors, we have engineered our streams to do what we would have done with the bagel windings in the bagel game.
As Harry mentions in an above comment, how about "DC current"? If we incorporate insulated metallic nozzles of a charged potential of several kilovolts compared to the grounded body of the windhexe, we may not need external ozone generators at all. Either way, ozone gets produced and ready to oxidize the feed material. What would happen if we also introduced some HHO into the mix? We could try it ignited or not. Should be some interesting results.
All good things to try - we must first replicate the original claims.
Thanks for the comment and the reference - it is intended that at some point an arc discharge is applied to the input gasses - this will create some ozone.
Rifling has also been considered, the tubes feeding the slit are at an angle - you are more specific though.
We hope that with temperature, water and ionisation we may reach the properties that deliver the initial claims. Then we can build on that.