Great information bob Ken shoulders talked of this in la also Rene Louise vallee and andrie sakorove mentioned some aspects of this I listened and read it years ago if this is helpfull other resources would be dr Peter kokoshinegg and maybe labond book hathaway has translated to English I did see other stuff in the SBIR dtic program I was on as nuclear issues where big then they sent me the Beamer report from the dept of energy evey USA state had stok piles of nuclear wast so Richard brewer and I where to send a proposal to use the hutchison effect tests yin might remember Richard or ria trade business gruop as she helped with the contracts we had anyway very interesting presentation I learn more from you on things keep up the great presentations cameras in the lab are installed so by winter should be some wild things going on already done minor things lije plasmas bslksand electrostatic interactions on ac feilds videos in my channel hugs keep smiling
Thanks for the tips. Spent US$600 on SEM/EDS session on Thursday, looked at fragments from George Hathaway of the metal bar - confirmed and extended his analysis, will work on the data as part of "Mr. Possible" but already have a reasonable hypothesis.
Also took a first look at a sample segment I requested from him, extremely interesting data.
I need to spend a lot more time on the SEM with these samples and a lot more thinking, but it is demonstrably consistent with the emerging understanding I have been discussing since beginning of 2017.
Thank you bob your a true gem in all this wow 2017 ok I trust your sciences and look forward to see what type of things you found in this if it’s the same that max planct tested and Ken shoulders loved
Keep up the awesome sciences iam progressing ok and with out warships to supply my needsok cheers
Seems very thorough to me. Congratulations! I am very curious how mainstream science will 'accept' this paper. This is so much 'proof', it can not be denied.
I expect it will be ignored - but the evidence is profound and - unlike many other findings in the past, it cannot be considered contamination to have the predicted 22Ne (only 8.82% of natural Neon) without any 20 or 21Ne. So this is most important data and methodology to verify.
There’s a lot of favorable cross checkings in this paper, I like the way the team thought of creating an index and how it related to the excess heat. However, I am more concerned about how the “peer review” mentality works. It demands being “skeptical” of anything unexpected and out of the norm, so it would require that any alternative hypothesis be disproven that there’s not any other possible source for the Ne22 be exhausted, even unlikely things as “this Ne22 leaks from the pipes above certain temperature”. Years of sparring with well meant and patronizing pseudoskeptics have left a mark.
22Ne is the heaviest isotope of Ne, if any Ne would leak, it would be 20 or 21Ne first and together these other two isotopes represent 91.177% of natural Ne. I think more likely is that there is some other source of the 22 mass signal, but the analysis of the gas was lead by the makers of the devices to test masses of gasses as I understand it.
In a proton-electron Charge Cluster (EVO/MTEC), binding to paramagnetic O2 predominantly 16O-16O - the most likely intermediate is 17O.
Particularly the formation of 34S from 2 x 17O is energetic at 28.3202 MeV
However, I wanted to propose potential things that were both likely in HHO / LENR and difficult to be contamination. When I saw the exchange reactions in 17O + 17O - it was a no brainer. First the full set
and since I made the recommendation to Bin et. al. that the most energetic is more likely produced and since have identified that the reaction that produces non-spin products is more likely (see Assisi 2022 presentation) there is only one answer that fits the bill.
Note, I originally did not follow my own 2019 ICCF-22 poster session hypothesis due to tiredness and getting it out the door - and so they looked for 21Ne and 20Ne first, and found none. Then they found 22Ne - which is compliant with my hypothesis in 2019 and updated one from 2022.
They did this work independently and without my knowledge, just based on my reasoned arguments as a starting point.
Yes, they did a great experimental work, I agree, and they followed your advise and through that, found very strong evidence.
Is really good that they acknowledge that interpreting the results of the gas samples, as they only give AMU readings, is always a challenge, IMHO would not hurt to include explicitly on the paper that the makers of the instrumentation consulted to help in the interpretation of the results.
However, all that said, I think there’s no way to convince some pseudoskeptics that have the preconceived notion that this is all impossible and we are just unable to find the experimental artifacts that produce these “impossible results”. This kind of people will prefer to think the team found a way to separate Ne isotopes at most, but never accept this comes from LENR.
The whole separation of metal isotopes is a real thing in "Zone Refinement" however, little different when dealing with a noble gas! Especially one that is not observed in non-excess heat reactors with all things otherwise being equal!
Neon is just 18 parts per million in air. That means 22Ne is less than 1.59 parts per million.
Neon as as a 100% pure gas has a solubility in water (de-gassed?) at 25ºC of 1.05 × 10^-3 M when the pressure of the Ne above the solution is 1.0 atm.
Well, I know, and I agree, but for a pseudoskeptic anything goes when is about coming up with ways to find a “rational explanation” for what they consider impossible, even implausible explanations.
Done! I had already looked at the abstract when it was published and was very happy to see they had kept working in this topic and followed your advice.
Hi Bob, enjoyed this paper. Went through it looking for errors, as per your request. Very profound that even water can produce LENR, just wow. So the only question I had is: VCS is Vacuum Cavitation Streaming? Couldn't find a reference in the paper for the abbreviation.
Interesting as always Peter published a scientific paper either osscilstions maybe ask dr margerirs kokoshinegg could be in peters Vienna apartment many valuable papers are lost like teslas papers from lorn st, ives and Thomas Lee Richardson who had the oaoers lots of them I loaned alik sherevaeky my former partner peters papers alik knows where parts of my old lab are threw Randy they are sitting in a crawl space fo years I’ll send you the emsil
Great information bob Ken shoulders talked of this in la also Rene Louise vallee and andrie sakorove mentioned some aspects of this I listened and read it years ago if this is helpfull other resources would be dr Peter kokoshinegg and maybe labond book hathaway has translated to English I did see other stuff in the SBIR dtic program I was on as nuclear issues where big then they sent me the Beamer report from the dept of energy evey USA state had stok piles of nuclear wast so Richard brewer and I where to send a proposal to use the hutchison effect tests yin might remember Richard or ria trade business gruop as she helped with the contracts we had anyway very interesting presentation I learn more from you on things keep up the great presentations cameras in the lab are installed so by winter should be some wild things going on already done minor things lije plasmas bslksand electrostatic interactions on ac feilds videos in my channel hugs keep smiling
Hi John,
Thanks for the tips. Spent US$600 on SEM/EDS session on Thursday, looked at fragments from George Hathaway of the metal bar - confirmed and extended his analysis, will work on the data as part of "Mr. Possible" but already have a reasonable hypothesis.
Also took a first look at a sample segment I requested from him, extremely interesting data.
I need to spend a lot more time on the SEM with these samples and a lot more thinking, but it is demonstrably consistent with the emerging understanding I have been discussing since beginning of 2017.
You will be VERY PLEASED with the data.
Thank you bob your a true gem in all this wow 2017 ok I trust your sciences and look forward to see what type of things you found in this if it’s the same that max planct tested and Ken shoulders loved
Keep up the awesome sciences iam progressing ok and with out warships to supply my needsok cheers
Strike that - got the bill, just under $800 for the day - still worth it though.
Seems very thorough to me. Congratulations! I am very curious how mainstream science will 'accept' this paper. This is so much 'proof', it can not be denied.
I expect it will be ignored - but the evidence is profound and - unlike many other findings in the past, it cannot be considered contamination to have the predicted 22Ne (only 8.82% of natural Neon) without any 20 or 21Ne. So this is most important data and methodology to verify.
There’s a lot of favorable cross checkings in this paper, I like the way the team thought of creating an index and how it related to the excess heat. However, I am more concerned about how the “peer review” mentality works. It demands being “skeptical” of anything unexpected and out of the norm, so it would require that any alternative hypothesis be disproven that there’s not any other possible source for the Ne22 be exhausted, even unlikely things as “this Ne22 leaks from the pipes above certain temperature”. Years of sparring with well meant and patronizing pseudoskeptics have left a mark.
22Ne is the heaviest isotope of Ne, if any Ne would leak, it would be 20 or 21Ne first and together these other two isotopes represent 91.177% of natural Ne. I think more likely is that there is some other source of the 22 mass signal, but the analysis of the gas was lead by the makers of the devices to test masses of gasses as I understand it.
In a proton-electron Charge Cluster (EVO/MTEC), binding to paramagnetic O2 predominantly 16O-16O - the most likely intermediate is 17O.
E1 in ('H') and E2 in ('O') order by MeV desc
https://www.nanosoft.co.nz/Fusion.php
Of course there will be some Sulphur, especially if the overall cluster breaks up - they observed this.
E1 in ('O') and E2 in ('O') order by MeV desc
https://www.nanosoft.co.nz/Fusion.php
Particularly the formation of 34S from 2 x 17O is energetic at 28.3202 MeV
However, I wanted to propose potential things that were both likely in HHO / LENR and difficult to be contamination. When I saw the exchange reactions in 17O + 17O - it was a no brainer. First the full set
A1 = 17 and A2 = 17 order by MeV desc
https://www.nanosoft.co.nz/TwoToTwo.php
Since we and others have seen abundant carbon formation for reasons I have explained in detail - we restrict E3 to that
A1 = 17 and A2 = 17 and E3 in ('C') order by MeV desc
https://www.nanosoft.co.nz/TwoToTwo.php
Giving two results only.
17O + 17O -> 12C + 22Ne + 6.4115 MeV
17O + 17O -> 13C + 22Ne + 0.992 MeV
and since I made the recommendation to Bin et. al. that the most energetic is more likely produced and since have identified that the reaction that produces non-spin products is more likely (see Assisi 2022 presentation) there is only one answer that fits the bill.
Note, I originally did not follow my own 2019 ICCF-22 poster session hypothesis due to tiredness and getting it out the door - and so they looked for 21Ne and 20Ne first, and found none. Then they found 22Ne - which is compliant with my hypothesis in 2019 and updated one from 2022.
They did this work independently and without my knowledge, just based on my reasoned arguments as a starting point.
Yes, they did a great experimental work, I agree, and they followed your advise and through that, found very strong evidence.
Is really good that they acknowledge that interpreting the results of the gas samples, as they only give AMU readings, is always a challenge, IMHO would not hurt to include explicitly on the paper that the makers of the instrumentation consulted to help in the interpretation of the results.
However, all that said, I think there’s no way to convince some pseudoskeptics that have the preconceived notion that this is all impossible and we are just unable to find the experimental artifacts that produce these “impossible results”. This kind of people will prefer to think the team found a way to separate Ne isotopes at most, but never accept this comes from LENR.
The whole separation of metal isotopes is a real thing in "Zone Refinement" however, little different when dealing with a noble gas! Especially one that is not observed in non-excess heat reactors with all things otherwise being equal!
Neon is just 18 parts per million in air. That means 22Ne is less than 1.59 parts per million.
Neon as as a 100% pure gas has a solubility in water (de-gassed?) at 25ºC of 1.05 × 10^-3 M when the pressure of the Ne above the solution is 1.0 atm.
Well, I know, and I agree, but for a pseudoskeptic anything goes when is about coming up with ways to find a “rational explanation” for what they consider impossible, even implausible explanations.
Thanks for this opportunity to review and help improve the paper, if possible.
Hi Camilo, Already someone has found that ref. 7 is missing (to LeClaire's Nanospire PDF).
Would you be able to cross post this to LF as I think the more competent eyes on it the better.
Done! I had already looked at the abstract when it was published and was very happy to see they had kept working in this topic and followed your advice.
They appear to have gone above and beyond!
Missing reference fixed - just re-download from the supplied link
Hi Bob, enjoyed this paper. Went through it looking for errors, as per your request. Very profound that even water can produce LENR, just wow. So the only question I had is: VCS is Vacuum Cavitation Streaming? Couldn't find a reference in the paper for the abbreviation.
Thanks for the spot - I will ask Bin.
Interesting as always Peter published a scientific paper either osscilstions maybe ask dr margerirs kokoshinegg could be in peters Vienna apartment many valuable papers are lost like teslas papers from lorn st, ives and Thomas Lee Richardson who had the oaoers lots of them I loaned alik sherevaeky my former partner peters papers alik knows where parts of my old lab are threw Randy they are sitting in a crawl space fo years I’ll send you the emsil