Dave Boutilier found a great link that specifies Paul's rod lengths for other fuel types and a lot of other details and some other theories, but was missing images, so I went to wayback machine, got a version with images and produced a pdf
I am excited you got did this deep dive as my pursuits of this keep coming back to something like this as being garage level tech that is both replicatable and useful.
I might have mentioned this in an earlier thread but round about the same time P and F were doing their thing, I was waiting to start my Navy enlistment and fooling around with the idea that stoichiometry implied that we should be getting a lot more power per mole of gasoline and perhaps vaporizing the gasoline (boiling it into its gaseous state) before it entered the cylinder might get us closer to the theoretical ideal. I'd heard all the urban legends about 100MPG tank carburetors in WW2 and the like...water injection too, which seemed counterintuitive and later was better explained with the engine heat making steam for an extra oopmh., Now I suspect extra power from water injection in fighters was also inadvertent LENR...
Anyway, another motorhead friend and I did this with my car, which had a 5 liter high compression engine that wad heavily modified. In fact we used part from the Nitrous Oxide injection system to make and deliver the gasoline vapor.
We pumped fuel from the tank through check valves into copper tubing coils wound around the steel exhaust headers that led to a jury rigged throttle plate and jet. Our thinking was that the fuel wouldn't burn or explode until it got air, which it did not until it got to the intake manifold. Fuel moved up the copper tubing in the opposite direction (albeit spiraling with the wind of the tubing around the exhaust pipes/headers).
Once everything was hot the gasoline flashed to vapor/gas once past the check valve and spiraled its way around the headers to the throttle plate on the intake manifold.
It ran. Cooler than it should have and on way less fuel that it should have even with perfect stoichiometry. I had a fancy multiple spark high voltage ignition system which I wonder if, in retrospect, helped. Our challenge was throttling. And then I had to go into the Navy. Nuclear power, so I followed the Cold Fusion think intently from the start. Anyway, years later, when I saw one of those GEET videos I knew there was something there and shortly after that I started thinking it might be LENR related and not long after I came across your stuff and boom.
I think counterflow and temperature gradients and spirals being common to GEET and my crude thing are not coincidental.
I have not rewatched the GEET videos you posted here but will. Meanwhile noteworthy things I recall from earlier perusal include the glass rod being magnetized and some home experimenter in London (I think it was) using a Snap On exhaust analyzer to show the exhaust output from a GEET equipped motor was actually cleaner and had more oxygen that the input/intake air. This should be pretty easy for us to replicate off the shelf as those things are not as pricey as SEMs.
And yes, the SAFETY. Gad bless those who suffered the effects of strange radiation that we may know to watch out for it. I feel we are pretty close to formulating some guidelines as to when to expect to see it and maybe along which axis.
Thought these may be of interest. 1st vid around the last minute is a brief sneak peak of a bluish ring plasma inside the end of a GEET reactor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTmN5EEcJ5Y
- the overall goal of what is being done here (MJMP) is to provide energy
- and to kick the powers that be (as Bob puts it) in the teeth is so incredibly satisfying
- the device runs a continuous process
- gas/fluid is the power source, which allows for continuous replenishment
- runs for a long time, means you can measure what goes on
- sample gas composition at various points
- measure electrical and magnetic fields
- a lab bench to study ball lightning/LENR
- low power, SAFIRE event unlikely
- radiation needs to be studied, also over time
And the anecdotal stories about credit card failures are not unconvincing because they told as fun stories, with good twists, like about when he was to receive a fat tip from a visitor, to having to help the visitor home, because his cards were blank. The magnetic fields (if that is what they are) are quite extraordinary, as it is not trivial to ’blank’ credit cards.
This inventor has not fallen in the white supremacy rabbit hole, where so many inventors end up, preaching how unfairly they are treated by big finance, the oil industry, governments etc, when in fact they are not successful in selling their process. That skill is required as well, and is why salespeople are well rewarded.
This process and derivatives from it, can be made to convince ourselves that the processes are for real, can provide continuous energy, and that they provide a very good path forward. Just imagine a distributed power grid, with 10kW generators everywhere. That would be a resilient society.
But the best feature to me, is the lab bench quality. The process is so accessible, inside a tube, and is continuous.
As I understand it, the rod is not treated in any way before it is placed in the tube. It is only after running in the device that it gets strange magnetic properties. Is that right.
So there's a bit of a kerfuffle happing involving Malcolm Bendall & Randall Carlson presenting a new energy tech to their online followers. Claiming to have made groundbreaking discoveries with buzzwords like, plasmoids, clean combustion, resonances, thunderstorm generators and so on and so on.
Looking at the available documentation on https://www.strikefoundation.earth/ the retrofitted engine assemblies involve a Pantone generator with a "thunderstorm generator" on the end but I'm not able to make sense from all of the vaporware around it. It just has a snake-oil salesmen vibe around it adding the "sacred geometry, resonance, numerology" to this. Pretty curious about any opinions on this.
And am I the only one that squints and sees a Tesla turbine here? When we start to unravel this I bet we are going to start defining modes, e.g. combustion, combustion of cracked hydrocarbons, CNO and other fusion paths and combinations thereof. I also think we may end up with a an HHO bubbler in the mix eventually. And don't forget soda and beer are carbonated, so even without autogeneration of carbon it's likely in the mix most of the time if only from traces in air...
Not sure if anyone caught it but Paul mentioned synthetic oil and antifreeze won't work with the latter pretty much ruining the reactor because it leaves a coating in the chamber. That should tell us something.
The stories about frequencies from ungrounded reactors being picked up as EPIRBs from downed aircraft is also interesting..
By way of an intuitive observation, since the gases are moving through the reactor at something approaching sonic speeds, it seems unlikely that there could be a sufficient exchange of heat for the engines to run cool at either the input or exhaust without an endothermic reaction (LENR?) drawing much of the heat from the exhaust by magnetic transfer. If LENR is indeed taking place as the driving force of reactions, it can hardly be exothermic, or the reactor it seems would quickly melt down from excess heat. Help me if I’m thinking wrongly here.
I thought everyone understood that the GEET was a different way to obtain water lysis. Transmutations are also probably to be found. In this case is friction and temperature what provides the electrostatic potential to crack the water molecules. It is enough to create glowing plasma. It probably takes a lot more fine tuning to get it right in a mechanical set up than with electrolysis, but the range of phenomena is there. Unfortunately most people don’t look beyond the claims of fuel savings, but the whole system is fascinating and so full of variables to tweak.
Hey Bob!! I'm so glad you took a deep dive on this and noticed the 5 consistencies you mention above. I think hearing about 4 of them (I hadn't heard the magnetic fields in glass one yet) was what tipped me of to the fact this was most probably legitimate. I will watch this videos over the coming few days and any others I can find and add any points of similarity or testable claims below.
I supect if there is an optimal angle for the point and divot on the rod. I have a feeling we will see a familiar one... Sight glass or clear reactor will probably make that test more interesting.
Thank you Bob. I am pleased GEET may now have a valid explanation. When I first saw it some years ago I thought it was a fuel pre-heater of some type, now I see it in a completely new light.
I will follow the research here in parallel with my current project.
Currently, I am re-creating a piece of Peter Graneau's work and successfully exploding water in the garden. I should have access to a permanent workshop soon and now have a larger bank of 24kV, 48x HV High Farad capacitors recently delivered, still wiring them together this week. Ultimately I plan to make an experimental loud detonation engine that runs on water. It may be LENR I am not sure yet. It may or may not be over-unity it mostly depends on efficiencies on kinetic energy capture. In a vertical cylinder it is about 150% gain, as recorded on the published science papers. Has anyone else tried this here? Cheers, David W.
In his book Paul mentions several things I haven't heard in his videos.
Most interestingly here h mentioned testing at the Met-Chem Testing lab in Salt Lake City where they didn't detect any alpha, beta, or gamma rays, that's not that weird here until you hear the account includes holding an x-ray film near the reactor. Fingers facing the reactor, and soft tissue appears on the film. And so does the thumb bone. The technician was wearing a standard x-ray lead glove according to the account. Strange radiation indeed.
I've expanded on the concepts substantially. Could I get you to take a peek? I would like your feedback, and verification against any inaccuracies or mis-steps.
Dave Boutilier found a great link that specifies Paul's rod lengths for other fuel types and a lot of other details and some other theories, but was missing images, so I went to wayback machine, got a version with images and produced a pdf
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18eS8O-u54TdIQnMRYDCZN-y3R0fTeVgj/view?usp=share_link
Hi Bob,
I am excited you got did this deep dive as my pursuits of this keep coming back to something like this as being garage level tech that is both replicatable and useful.
I might have mentioned this in an earlier thread but round about the same time P and F were doing their thing, I was waiting to start my Navy enlistment and fooling around with the idea that stoichiometry implied that we should be getting a lot more power per mole of gasoline and perhaps vaporizing the gasoline (boiling it into its gaseous state) before it entered the cylinder might get us closer to the theoretical ideal. I'd heard all the urban legends about 100MPG tank carburetors in WW2 and the like...water injection too, which seemed counterintuitive and later was better explained with the engine heat making steam for an extra oopmh., Now I suspect extra power from water injection in fighters was also inadvertent LENR...
Anyway, another motorhead friend and I did this with my car, which had a 5 liter high compression engine that wad heavily modified. In fact we used part from the Nitrous Oxide injection system to make and deliver the gasoline vapor.
We pumped fuel from the tank through check valves into copper tubing coils wound around the steel exhaust headers that led to a jury rigged throttle plate and jet. Our thinking was that the fuel wouldn't burn or explode until it got air, which it did not until it got to the intake manifold. Fuel moved up the copper tubing in the opposite direction (albeit spiraling with the wind of the tubing around the exhaust pipes/headers).
Once everything was hot the gasoline flashed to vapor/gas once past the check valve and spiraled its way around the headers to the throttle plate on the intake manifold.
It ran. Cooler than it should have and on way less fuel that it should have even with perfect stoichiometry. I had a fancy multiple spark high voltage ignition system which I wonder if, in retrospect, helped. Our challenge was throttling. And then I had to go into the Navy. Nuclear power, so I followed the Cold Fusion think intently from the start. Anyway, years later, when I saw one of those GEET videos I knew there was something there and shortly after that I started thinking it might be LENR related and not long after I came across your stuff and boom.
I think counterflow and temperature gradients and spirals being common to GEET and my crude thing are not coincidental.
I have not rewatched the GEET videos you posted here but will. Meanwhile noteworthy things I recall from earlier perusal include the glass rod being magnetized and some home experimenter in London (I think it was) using a Snap On exhaust analyzer to show the exhaust output from a GEET equipped motor was actually cleaner and had more oxygen that the input/intake air. This should be pretty easy for us to replicate off the shelf as those things are not as pricey as SEMs.
And yes, the SAFETY. Gad bless those who suffered the effects of strange radiation that we may know to watch out for it. I feel we are pretty close to formulating some guidelines as to when to expect to see it and maybe along which axis.
Thought these may be of interest. 1st vid around the last minute is a brief sneak peak of a bluish ring plasma inside the end of a GEET reactor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTmN5EEcJ5Y
The GEET presentation was quite interesting!
My reasoning:
- the overall goal of what is being done here (MJMP) is to provide energy
- and to kick the powers that be (as Bob puts it) in the teeth is so incredibly satisfying
- the device runs a continuous process
- gas/fluid is the power source, which allows for continuous replenishment
- runs for a long time, means you can measure what goes on
- sample gas composition at various points
- measure electrical and magnetic fields
- a lab bench to study ball lightning/LENR
- low power, SAFIRE event unlikely
- radiation needs to be studied, also over time
And the anecdotal stories about credit card failures are not unconvincing because they told as fun stories, with good twists, like about when he was to receive a fat tip from a visitor, to having to help the visitor home, because his cards were blank. The magnetic fields (if that is what they are) are quite extraordinary, as it is not trivial to ’blank’ credit cards.
This inventor has not fallen in the white supremacy rabbit hole, where so many inventors end up, preaching how unfairly they are treated by big finance, the oil industry, governments etc, when in fact they are not successful in selling their process. That skill is required as well, and is why salespeople are well rewarded.
This process and derivatives from it, can be made to convince ourselves that the processes are for real, can provide continuous energy, and that they provide a very good path forward. Just imagine a distributed power grid, with 10kW generators everywhere. That would be a resilient society.
But the best feature to me, is the lab bench quality. The process is so accessible, inside a tube, and is continuous.
Fabulous!
As I understand it, the rod is not treated in any way before it is placed in the tube. It is only after running in the device that it gets strange magnetic properties. Is that right.
So there's a bit of a kerfuffle happing involving Malcolm Bendall & Randall Carlson presenting a new energy tech to their online followers. Claiming to have made groundbreaking discoveries with buzzwords like, plasmoids, clean combustion, resonances, thunderstorm generators and so on and so on.
Looking at the available documentation on https://www.strikefoundation.earth/ the retrofitted engine assemblies involve a Pantone generator with a "thunderstorm generator" on the end but I'm not able to make sense from all of the vaporware around it. It just has a snake-oil salesmen vibe around it adding the "sacred geometry, resonance, numerology" to this. Pretty curious about any opinions on this.
And am I the only one that squints and sees a Tesla turbine here? When we start to unravel this I bet we are going to start defining modes, e.g. combustion, combustion of cracked hydrocarbons, CNO and other fusion paths and combinations thereof. I also think we may end up with a an HHO bubbler in the mix eventually. And don't forget soda and beer are carbonated, so even without autogeneration of carbon it's likely in the mix most of the time if only from traces in air...
Not sure if anyone caught it but Paul mentioned synthetic oil and antifreeze won't work with the latter pretty much ruining the reactor because it leaves a coating in the chamber. That should tell us something.
The stories about frequencies from ungrounded reactors being picked up as EPIRBs from downed aircraft is also interesting..
Would it be worth trying a carbon rod in the geet reactor also?
By way of an intuitive observation, since the gases are moving through the reactor at something approaching sonic speeds, it seems unlikely that there could be a sufficient exchange of heat for the engines to run cool at either the input or exhaust without an endothermic reaction (LENR?) drawing much of the heat from the exhaust by magnetic transfer. If LENR is indeed taking place as the driving force of reactions, it can hardly be exothermic, or the reactor it seems would quickly melt down from excess heat. Help me if I’m thinking wrongly here.
I thought everyone understood that the GEET was a different way to obtain water lysis. Transmutations are also probably to be found. In this case is friction and temperature what provides the electrostatic potential to crack the water molecules. It is enough to create glowing plasma. It probably takes a lot more fine tuning to get it right in a mechanical set up than with electrolysis, but the range of phenomena is there. Unfortunately most people don’t look beyond the claims of fuel savings, but the whole system is fascinating and so full of variables to tweak.
Hey Bob!! I'm so glad you took a deep dive on this and noticed the 5 consistencies you mention above. I think hearing about 4 of them (I hadn't heard the magnetic fields in glass one yet) was what tipped me of to the fact this was most probably legitimate. I will watch this videos over the coming few days and any others I can find and add any points of similarity or testable claims below.
I supect if there is an optimal angle for the point and divot on the rod. I have a feeling we will see a familiar one... Sight glass or clear reactor will probably make that test more interesting.
Thank you Bob. I am pleased GEET may now have a valid explanation. When I first saw it some years ago I thought it was a fuel pre-heater of some type, now I see it in a completely new light.
I will follow the research here in parallel with my current project.
Currently, I am re-creating a piece of Peter Graneau's work and successfully exploding water in the garden. I should have access to a permanent workshop soon and now have a larger bank of 24kV, 48x HV High Farad capacitors recently delivered, still wiring them together this week. Ultimately I plan to make an experimental loud detonation engine that runs on water. It may be LENR I am not sure yet. It may or may not be over-unity it mostly depends on efficiencies on kinetic energy capture. In a vertical cylinder it is about 150% gain, as recorded on the published science papers. Has anyone else tried this here? Cheers, David W.
In his book Paul mentions several things I haven't heard in his videos.
Most interestingly here h mentioned testing at the Met-Chem Testing lab in Salt Lake City where they didn't detect any alpha, beta, or gamma rays, that's not that weird here until you hear the account includes holding an x-ray film near the reactor. Fingers facing the reactor, and soft tissue appears on the film. And so does the thumb bone. The technician was wearing a standard x-ray lead glove according to the account. Strange radiation indeed.
@Bob: I published a new aether model & theory yesterday, compatible with theological models:
https://arcanus.substack.com/p/syncretic-gnosticism-and-kabbalistic
I've expanded on the concepts substantially. Could I get you to take a peek? I would like your feedback, and verification against any inaccuracies or mis-steps.