Dave Boutilier found a great link that specifies Paul's rod lengths for other fuel types and a lot of other details and some other theories, but was missing images, so I went to wayback machine, got a version with images and produced a pdf
There is an amazing amount of information in that pdf. There is a simple design called the SPAD fuel saver that does not use a rod and is easy to install. Several hundred were produced in 2006, but I wonder what has happened since then? We need a large engine to be set up with a fuel saver that supplies power to the grid that can be measured. It must be out of the way because of the noise.
Still poring over it. It IS great. A couple of things pop out to me- The "electronic" stage after the "cracking room". I think I stumbled into something similar 30 odd years later where in rather the the spiral Chambrin rig on top of the intake, we preheated and cracked gasoline in coiled copper pipes around hot headers. That engine had a multiple spark discharge high voltage ignition which I am beginning to think might have had a role (this was central Florida in the summer so water was in the ambient air) and also might not be necessary given stories I have heard re GEETs and other motors running with the plug wires disconnected. Brings to mind runaway diesel motors, run on after ignition cut in gas engines and even water hammering in plumbing. There are various ways to get collapse/implosion- one or another or the right combination of thresholds in heat or pressure or charge or flux or whatever needs to happen then boom. Or maybe whump (that's what an implosion sounds like :-)
The other thing is the mention of frequency and the implications of heterodyning (mix 2 signals, get one heterodyne that is the sum, the other is the difference). I think this is going to be worth exploring. Lots of frequencies in the mix, RPMs, number of cylinders, number of sparks per ignition pulse, coil freq, heck even Schuman.
And vacuum. There is the absence of air/gas. What about an absence of ether/relic neutrinos? Is there an analog with charge? I know I am not the only one who sees the similarities between cathedrals and magnetrons/klystrons... maybe there is a right had rule, but you need six fingers ;-)
I am excited you got did this deep dive as my pursuits of this keep coming back to something like this as being garage level tech that is both replicatable and useful.
I might have mentioned this in an earlier thread but round about the same time P and F were doing their thing, I was waiting to start my Navy enlistment and fooling around with the idea that stoichiometry implied that we should be getting a lot more power per mole of gasoline and perhaps vaporizing the gasoline (boiling it into its gaseous state) before it entered the cylinder might get us closer to the theoretical ideal. I'd heard all the urban legends about 100MPG tank carburetors in WW2 and the like...water injection too, which seemed counterintuitive and later was better explained with the engine heat making steam for an extra oopmh., Now I suspect extra power from water injection in fighters was also inadvertent LENR...
Anyway, another motorhead friend and I did this with my car, which had a 5 liter high compression engine that wad heavily modified. In fact we used part from the Nitrous Oxide injection system to make and deliver the gasoline vapor.
We pumped fuel from the tank through check valves into copper tubing coils wound around the steel exhaust headers that led to a jury rigged throttle plate and jet. Our thinking was that the fuel wouldn't burn or explode until it got air, which it did not until it got to the intake manifold. Fuel moved up the copper tubing in the opposite direction (albeit spiraling with the wind of the tubing around the exhaust pipes/headers).
Once everything was hot the gasoline flashed to vapor/gas once past the check valve and spiraled its way around the headers to the throttle plate on the intake manifold.
It ran. Cooler than it should have and on way less fuel that it should have even with perfect stoichiometry. I had a fancy multiple spark high voltage ignition system which I wonder if, in retrospect, helped. Our challenge was throttling. And then I had to go into the Navy. Nuclear power, so I followed the Cold Fusion think intently from the start. Anyway, years later, when I saw one of those GEET videos I knew there was something there and shortly after that I started thinking it might be LENR related and not long after I came across your stuff and boom.
I think counterflow and temperature gradients and spirals being common to GEET and my crude thing are not coincidental.
I have not rewatched the GEET videos you posted here but will. Meanwhile noteworthy things I recall from earlier perusal include the glass rod being magnetized and some home experimenter in London (I think it was) using a Snap On exhaust analyzer to show the exhaust output from a GEET equipped motor was actually cleaner and had more oxygen that the input/intake air. This should be pretty easy for us to replicate off the shelf as those things are not as pricey as SEMs.
And yes, the SAFETY. Gad bless those who suffered the effects of strange radiation that we may know to watch out for it. I feel we are pretty close to formulating some guidelines as to when to expect to see it and maybe along which axis.
A good start, which will likely be the direction I take is to start with a lawnmower or even leaf blower engine (there are two stroke vs. four stroke considerations worth exploring) and perhaps moving to a relatively inexpensive dual fuel generator (e.g. gasoline (aka petrol)/propane where we may he able to start it on gasoline and then switch to the propane side and leverage the preexisting plumbing and switching. Throttling in accordance with load will be the trick and I think hands on experimenting with a tabletop GEET rigged motor will be one way to go. Sounds like the rod and ball lightning might already self organize or adjust to load from Paul's description but this is totally something we can determine for ourselves and share. FWIW I remember my big V8 running uncannily slow when we were playing with it at first which matches Paul's results with his Chevy 350 connected to a generator.
FWIW I feel very excited that we can explore this tech tech with working theory to help engineer a bolt on conversion. Cold start to transition to LENR mode and load matching/throttling are keys to widespread adoption. These challenges will probably be more easily surmounted in a generator set than a car and an inverter generator conversion would probably be the most forgiving and amenable.
Yes, the main BL business end should find its optimum point with the parameters it is given and simpler with the vertical configuration as full radius DM / electron capture as well as the thing that causes gravity in play (likely similar thing).
I will explain the chemical to nuclear transition and how this leads to the "water car", likely later today.
We have already proven the underlying science repeatedly, it is just maybe not obvious to all yet. It will be soon. Very soon.
The mental hurdle or "is it really possible and how" will be breached for all that choose to take the time to understand the evidence this week. I will focus on the risks and mitigation also this week.
Collectively we can do this. the anomalies were laid out in the past. Now let's settle the science.
Thought these may be of interest. 1st vid around the last minute is a brief sneak peak of a bluish ring plasma inside the end of a GEET reactor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTmN5EEcJ5Y
- the overall goal of what is being done here (MJMP) is to provide energy
- and to kick the powers that be (as Bob puts it) in the teeth is so incredibly satisfying
- the device runs a continuous process
- gas/fluid is the power source, which allows for continuous replenishment
- runs for a long time, means you can measure what goes on
- sample gas composition at various points
- measure electrical and magnetic fields
- a lab bench to study ball lightning/LENR
- low power, SAFIRE event unlikely
- radiation needs to be studied, also over time
And the anecdotal stories about credit card failures are not unconvincing because they told as fun stories, with good twists, like about when he was to receive a fat tip from a visitor, to having to help the visitor home, because his cards were blank. The magnetic fields (if that is what they are) are quite extraordinary, as it is not trivial to ’blank’ credit cards.
This inventor has not fallen in the white supremacy rabbit hole, where so many inventors end up, preaching how unfairly they are treated by big finance, the oil industry, governments etc, when in fact they are not successful in selling their process. That skill is required as well, and is why salespeople are well rewarded.
This process and derivatives from it, can be made to convince ourselves that the processes are for real, can provide continuous energy, and that they provide a very good path forward. Just imagine a distributed power grid, with 10kW generators everywhere. That would be a resilient society.
But the best feature to me, is the lab bench quality. The process is so accessible, inside a tube, and is continuous.
And, has the potential to relatively simply retrofit planet Earths entire ICE driven rolling stock and generator sets etc. since, at its heart, it is a fuel pre-processor. If it increases efficiency by 30%, since energy prices are set at the margin, this will massively affect the cost of living. If it can be made to run on the sugars in berry juice, then it is transformational.
We have a process gas mass spectrometer. If we can detect mass 4 by catalically oxidising D2 and and removing the heavy water produced - we will have detected 4He. If we detect 4He, we can 100% prove there is a novel process occurring.
We already know methods for shielding SR. We know what to look for exactly as signatures of BL on a copper rod if it is included and we know what impacts from EVOs look like.
The only possible gasses that can be produced in the system according to the MFMP reaction calculator predictions based on "rapidly fitting the products into the smallest box" - 4He and Oxygen - are the only gasses noted by the claimants as being produced.
As I understand it, the rod is not treated in any way before it is placed in the tube. It is only after running in the device that it gets strange magnetic properties. Is that right.
Spot on. This is stated precisely by Paul in the full video. I hope to finish the re-mastering of the video and transcript subtitles today.
I believe the Fractal Toroidal Moment and bound, organised monopoles derived from the self-organisation of turbulence driven charged particles create the observed persistent anomalous effects.
So there's a bit of a kerfuffle happing involving Malcolm Bendall & Randall Carlson presenting a new energy tech to their online followers. Claiming to have made groundbreaking discoveries with buzzwords like, plasmoids, clean combustion, resonances, thunderstorm generators and so on and so on.
Looking at the available documentation on https://www.strikefoundation.earth/ the retrofitted engine assemblies involve a Pantone generator with a "thunderstorm generator" on the end but I'm not able to make sense from all of the vaporware around it. It just has a snake-oil salesmen vibe around it adding the "sacred geometry, resonance, numerology" to this. Pretty curious about any opinions on this.
Malcolm Bendall relies on Ken Shoulder's work. This is a good start. It is not good form that he is trying to change Shoulders' Exotic Vacuum Object (EVO) name for the structures involved.
It is also not good that he is changing the name of LENR to LEAR, since whilst the process can go further than nuclear reactions, it does do that too.
Changing names is a way to obfuscate the origin.
More lamentably, he is not admitting what is clearly a Pantone device IMHO. If it is not a Pantone device, it is doing the same thing and not really that novel.
It is not groundbreaking. If it is a larger scale Pantone, it is at least a more public demonstration of what Pantone claimed to have done and some licences apparently did without his permission when Pantone legitimately held a patent (which has now expired).
Without the rod, it is similar to the previously published work at Taipei University in respects of counter directional fluids (steam/refrigerant/water) - in part like a condensing boiler.
Plasmoids are a hangover from Bostick et. al. work (1948-1980), as Matsumoto notes, Plasmoids are insufficient to explain the phenomenon - this is why Shoulders ended up at EVOs.
Ken did not accurately describe the substructure - he did say that it was a "multiple toroidal structure" that has scale quantisation and describes a non-EM capability that can only be interacted with by scalar and vector potentials in line with Z'eldovic's 1950s work. John Wheeler laid a good grounding in his 1954 'GEONs' paper - but the best understanding came from the 1965 paper of Dubovik in the toroidal extention of electrodynamics and the mathematical proof of the toroidal moment that was only verified in the west in 1997 and never (to the best of my knowledge) discussed by shoulders.
In Feb 2020, having studied a John Hutchison sample, I deduced and published a fractal toroidal structure, the magneto-electrodynamics of which it later turned out is compatible with the proposals of Dubovik. When I found the physical embodiments of these in my analysis of Henk Jurrein's VEGA experiment, on sending these to the Russian "Cold Nuclear Transmutation and Ball Lightning" community, I was sent, without comment, a 1995 published paper by Zhvirblis that talked about classified soviet research. I translated this paper and it was in line with my physical findings of a "wheel, within a wheel, within a wheel" fractal structure and made similar statements that I had proposed. I also found the associated mathematical proof by Russian physicist in the journal "Electricity" that proved the validity of the structure that results in the formation of long-lived, electromagnetic phantoms that are made of closed pointing vectors.
I then learned of the SLAC researcher into Ball Ligtning - David Fryberger, did a similar proof, 21 years later predicting what he called "Vacuum Currents".
I have included all of these papers in this blog, and links to the original Russian works.
It is related to sacred geometry and I have precisely shown over the past 6 years how, based on empirical evidence publicly shared as it happened.
It is completely related to resonance as I have shown in publically shared and replicated experiments - in particular ULTR.
Numerology is just a representation of the natural structures formed, like the Golden Ratio that is inherent in the Ring Spot -> Spindle Torus that forms the Vesica Pisces and extends out the flower of life and all derived aspects of that.
If they have not made a GEET reactor analogue work in 7 years, they have not been trying hard enough.
And am I the only one that squints and sees a Tesla turbine here? When we start to unravel this I bet we are going to start defining modes, e.g. combustion, combustion of cracked hydrocarbons, CNO and other fusion paths and combinations thereof. I also think we may end up with a an HHO bubbler in the mix eventually. And don't forget soda and beer are carbonated, so even without autogeneration of carbon it's likely in the mix most of the time if only from traces in air...
Not sure if anyone caught it but Paul mentioned synthetic oil and antifreeze won't work with the latter pretty much ruining the reactor because it leaves a coating in the chamber. That should tell us something.
The stories about frequencies from ungrounded reactors being picked up as EPIRBs from downed aircraft is also interesting..
By way of an intuitive observation, since the gases are moving through the reactor at something approaching sonic speeds, it seems unlikely that there could be a sufficient exchange of heat for the engines to run cool at either the input or exhaust without an endothermic reaction (LENR?) drawing much of the heat from the exhaust by magnetic transfer. If LENR is indeed taking place as the driving force of reactions, it can hardly be exothermic, or the reactor it seems would quickly melt down from excess heat. Help me if I’m thinking wrongly here.
If matter is fully collapsed in either the core of fluxes or in the magnetic core or fractal toroids - in Matsumoto's "point of electro-nuclear collapse" the energy/matter is re-born, and as I argue, it will be re-born as ordinary matter based on the nucleation of the mono-atomic matter there or the predominant wave function.
That is to say, the system may literally convert the bulk of the theoretical yield into ordinary nuclei - As I noted, Piantelli observed protons being emitted, Adamenko states that "in the electro-nuclear macro-cluster, periodically stable nuclei are formed and ejected from cluster". The most statistically likely is a proton.
If the fusion on the outside produces 32.450455 MeV is captured in the coherent matter and quanta of this is energy is regenerated into protons
Mass energy equivalent of one proton = 938 MeV
Energy yield from CH4 + 2e- + 2 Relic Antineutrinos > 16O = 32.450455 MeV
The net energy yield from synthesis of 29 Oxygen atoms would produce 1 proton with a balance of around 3 MeV.
Alternatively, energy could be emitted in RF or other field froms of energy, or partially stored or projected into the far field.
First, we have to establish if 4He is produced. We have the equipment to do that in California and reactors being built. If there is 4He, we have a process that is transmuting matter in some way.
Bob, you’re so far over my head I just have to hope you don’t drop anything! Why does understanding this all hinge on 4He production? It seems to me that if there are any elements that come out in different ratios than they went in, it would be an indication that transmutation is occurring.
I thought everyone understood that the GEET was a different way to obtain water lysis. Transmutations are also probably to be found. In this case is friction and temperature what provides the electrostatic potential to crack the water molecules. It is enough to create glowing plasma. It probably takes a lot more fine tuning to get it right in a mechanical set up than with electrolysis, but the range of phenomena is there. Unfortunately most people don’t look beyond the claims of fuel savings, but the whole system is fascinating and so full of variables to tweak.
Hi Curbina, I am coming at this with fresh eyes with the learning of the past 6 years, especially things we can repeat at will and on demand that have a proven main-stream basis and consistent phenomenological basis.
Feb 6, 2023·edited Feb 6, 2023Liked by Bob Greenyer
I understand, is great that you can see this through your own perspective, and probably you will be able to see things most of us missed. I just happen to have known about it since long due to my interest in all things exotic technologies for what is soon to become 20 years (besides my 33 years of following “Cold Fusion”). I have learnt, thanks to you, how looking at things with fresh eyes can be really a game changer.
Many years ago, I did not know what to think about GEET - it was just a lot of claims that I had no frame of reference to judge veracity on. Now, the claimed observations are a logical consequence of EVOs, Fractal Toroidal Moments and the results of their activity that we have caught on video and observed in analysis.
FWIW I also went down the Joe Cell rabbit hole around the same time. It may be instructive to revisit that as well in hopes using the observations there to see if our theories can account for those results. Without reviewing those vids I do recall something that mentioned conditioning the water and maybe the engine block before it ran reliably. This intuitively feels like maybe building and feeding EVOs. I seem to recall what then seemed weird one wire current flow or something involved which also calls to mind Papp.
Another observation is that a lot of the previous successes in this realm (Papp, Myers, others) maybe are intentionally complex or obfuscated for patent purposes. I always tell myself lightning and indeed ball lightning occur naturally and in the atmosphere, so we ought to be able to emulate the conditions in our creations in a pretty straightforward manner without needing anything exotic.
Hey Bob!! I'm so glad you took a deep dive on this and noticed the 5 consistencies you mention above. I think hearing about 4 of them (I hadn't heard the magnetic fields in glass one yet) was what tipped me of to the fact this was most probably legitimate. I will watch this videos over the coming few days and any others I can find and add any points of similarity or testable claims below.
One thing that I've heard twice now is that the GEET generator needed to be grounded, or the FAA and black hawks helicopters would result. This leads me to 2 comments. 1) I can see why the build of charge clusters might ultimately draw attention, but it's unclear to me if this is attention because of concern of the potential for weaponization or something else. 2) The design you showed in your presentation doesn't indicate where the grounding might be best attached to the unit. I understand from your speaking regarding the Papp engine why it is important to ground the device. Of the currently 3 hours of video I've seen, I haven't yet seen any mention of devices exploding, or any other reason why grounding might be needed and also what kind of resistance one should have in he grounding wire. These might be good things to bring up in any future coverage you do.
As I suggested, unlike the Papp, the device has O2 in it, especially on the output, this paramagnetic molecule aggregates the monopoles and they are expelled.
I supect if there is an optimal angle for the point and divot on the rod. I have a feeling we will see a familiar one... Sight glass or clear reactor will probably make that test more interesting.
Feb 10, 2023·edited Feb 10, 2023Liked by Bob Greenyer
The cool silent running thing with GEET.... A tree can burst through concrete sidewalk without making a sound even though it is just cellulose and water (just water lol!). Terrain theory informs. Set up the correct environment or terrain and nature will do what comes naturally ala plasma miners with Henk or fermenting bread or kimchi.
I'm beginning to see linked threshold systems stuck together like modular processes. Once you realize you are often seeing the same thing from different angles or in literal different light it helps.
Really drives home how we are making energy in the worst ways. From refining crude to enriching uranium only to have to deal with mess in the every aspect of the processes. Opposite true in nature. Nothing is wasted and nothing is really that hard to deal with pollution wise. The gods must get a kick out of our too clever folly. Well that is about to be over…
Thank you Bob. I am pleased GEET may now have a valid explanation. When I first saw it some years ago I thought it was a fuel pre-heater of some type, now I see it in a completely new light.
I will follow the research here in parallel with my current project.
Currently, I am re-creating a piece of Peter Graneau's work and successfully exploding water in the garden. I should have access to a permanent workshop soon and now have a larger bank of 24kV, 48x HV High Farad capacitors recently delivered, still wiring them together this week. Ultimately I plan to make an experimental loud detonation engine that runs on water. It may be LENR I am not sure yet. It may or may not be over-unity it mostly depends on efficiencies on kinetic energy capture. In a vertical cylinder it is about 150% gain, as recorded on the published science papers. Has anyone else tried this here? Cheers, David W.
In his book Paul mentions several things I haven't heard in his videos.
Most interestingly here h mentioned testing at the Met-Chem Testing lab in Salt Lake City where they didn't detect any alpha, beta, or gamma rays, that's not that weird here until you hear the account includes holding an x-ray film near the reactor. Fingers facing the reactor, and soft tissue appears on the film. And so does the thumb bone. The technician was wearing a standard x-ray lead glove according to the account. Strange radiation indeed.
I've expanded on the concepts substantially. Could I get you to take a peek? I would like your feedback, and verification against any inaccuracies or mis-steps.
Dave Boutilier found a great link that specifies Paul's rod lengths for other fuel types and a lot of other details and some other theories, but was missing images, so I went to wayback machine, got a version with images and produced a pdf
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18eS8O-u54TdIQnMRYDCZN-y3R0fTeVgj/view?usp=share_link
There is an amazing amount of information in that pdf. There is a simple design called the SPAD fuel saver that does not use a rod and is easy to install. Several hundred were produced in 2006, but I wonder what has happened since then? We need a large engine to be set up with a fuel saver that supplies power to the grid that can be measured. It must be out of the way because of the noise.
We are in a world where fuel prices have doubled, tripled or quadrupled.
It is a call to action.
Lets reduce the consumption five-fold!
Still poring over it. It IS great. A couple of things pop out to me- The "electronic" stage after the "cracking room". I think I stumbled into something similar 30 odd years later where in rather the the spiral Chambrin rig on top of the intake, we preheated and cracked gasoline in coiled copper pipes around hot headers. That engine had a multiple spark discharge high voltage ignition which I am beginning to think might have had a role (this was central Florida in the summer so water was in the ambient air) and also might not be necessary given stories I have heard re GEETs and other motors running with the plug wires disconnected. Brings to mind runaway diesel motors, run on after ignition cut in gas engines and even water hammering in plumbing. There are various ways to get collapse/implosion- one or another or the right combination of thresholds in heat or pressure or charge or flux or whatever needs to happen then boom. Or maybe whump (that's what an implosion sounds like :-)
The other thing is the mention of frequency and the implications of heterodyning (mix 2 signals, get one heterodyne that is the sum, the other is the difference). I think this is going to be worth exploring. Lots of frequencies in the mix, RPMs, number of cylinders, number of sparks per ignition pulse, coil freq, heck even Schuman.
And vacuum. There is the absence of air/gas. What about an absence of ether/relic neutrinos? Is there an analog with charge? I know I am not the only one who sees the similarities between cathedrals and magnetrons/klystrons... maybe there is a right had rule, but you need six fingers ;-)
Hi Bob,
I am excited you got did this deep dive as my pursuits of this keep coming back to something like this as being garage level tech that is both replicatable and useful.
I might have mentioned this in an earlier thread but round about the same time P and F were doing their thing, I was waiting to start my Navy enlistment and fooling around with the idea that stoichiometry implied that we should be getting a lot more power per mole of gasoline and perhaps vaporizing the gasoline (boiling it into its gaseous state) before it entered the cylinder might get us closer to the theoretical ideal. I'd heard all the urban legends about 100MPG tank carburetors in WW2 and the like...water injection too, which seemed counterintuitive and later was better explained with the engine heat making steam for an extra oopmh., Now I suspect extra power from water injection in fighters was also inadvertent LENR...
Anyway, another motorhead friend and I did this with my car, which had a 5 liter high compression engine that wad heavily modified. In fact we used part from the Nitrous Oxide injection system to make and deliver the gasoline vapor.
We pumped fuel from the tank through check valves into copper tubing coils wound around the steel exhaust headers that led to a jury rigged throttle plate and jet. Our thinking was that the fuel wouldn't burn or explode until it got air, which it did not until it got to the intake manifold. Fuel moved up the copper tubing in the opposite direction (albeit spiraling with the wind of the tubing around the exhaust pipes/headers).
Once everything was hot the gasoline flashed to vapor/gas once past the check valve and spiraled its way around the headers to the throttle plate on the intake manifold.
It ran. Cooler than it should have and on way less fuel that it should have even with perfect stoichiometry. I had a fancy multiple spark high voltage ignition system which I wonder if, in retrospect, helped. Our challenge was throttling. And then I had to go into the Navy. Nuclear power, so I followed the Cold Fusion think intently from the start. Anyway, years later, when I saw one of those GEET videos I knew there was something there and shortly after that I started thinking it might be LENR related and not long after I came across your stuff and boom.
I think counterflow and temperature gradients and spirals being common to GEET and my crude thing are not coincidental.
I have not rewatched the GEET videos you posted here but will. Meanwhile noteworthy things I recall from earlier perusal include the glass rod being magnetized and some home experimenter in London (I think it was) using a Snap On exhaust analyzer to show the exhaust output from a GEET equipped motor was actually cleaner and had more oxygen that the input/intake air. This should be pretty easy for us to replicate off the shelf as those things are not as pricey as SEMs.
And yes, the SAFETY. Gad bless those who suffered the effects of strange radiation that we may know to watch out for it. I feel we are pretty close to formulating some guidelines as to when to expect to see it and maybe along which axis.
This is a fascinating account, thank you for sharing and it would appear that you are well placed to explore this technology.
A good start, which will likely be the direction I take is to start with a lawnmower or even leaf blower engine (there are two stroke vs. four stroke considerations worth exploring) and perhaps moving to a relatively inexpensive dual fuel generator (e.g. gasoline (aka petrol)/propane where we may he able to start it on gasoline and then switch to the propane side and leverage the preexisting plumbing and switching. Throttling in accordance with load will be the trick and I think hands on experimenting with a tabletop GEET rigged motor will be one way to go. Sounds like the rod and ball lightning might already self organize or adjust to load from Paul's description but this is totally something we can determine for ourselves and share. FWIW I remember my big V8 running uncannily slow when we were playing with it at first which matches Paul's results with his Chevy 350 connected to a generator.
FWIW I feel very excited that we can explore this tech tech with working theory to help engineer a bolt on conversion. Cold start to transition to LENR mode and load matching/throttling are keys to widespread adoption. These challenges will probably be more easily surmounted in a generator set than a car and an inverter generator conversion would probably be the most forgiving and amenable.
Yes, the main BL business end should find its optimum point with the parameters it is given and simpler with the vertical configuration as full radius DM / electron capture as well as the thing that causes gravity in play (likely similar thing).
I will explain the chemical to nuclear transition and how this leads to the "water car", likely later today.
We have already proven the underlying science repeatedly, it is just maybe not obvious to all yet. It will be soon. Very soon.
The mental hurdle or "is it really possible and how" will be breached for all that choose to take the time to understand the evidence this week. I will focus on the risks and mitigation also this week.
Collectively we can do this. the anomalies were laid out in the past. Now let's settle the science.
Thought these may be of interest. 1st vid around the last minute is a brief sneak peak of a bluish ring plasma inside the end of a GEET reactor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTmN5EEcJ5Y
OMG - so long since I saw this video. Thanks for digging it out.
The GEET presentation was quite interesting!
My reasoning:
- the overall goal of what is being done here (MJMP) is to provide energy
- and to kick the powers that be (as Bob puts it) in the teeth is so incredibly satisfying
- the device runs a continuous process
- gas/fluid is the power source, which allows for continuous replenishment
- runs for a long time, means you can measure what goes on
- sample gas composition at various points
- measure electrical and magnetic fields
- a lab bench to study ball lightning/LENR
- low power, SAFIRE event unlikely
- radiation needs to be studied, also over time
And the anecdotal stories about credit card failures are not unconvincing because they told as fun stories, with good twists, like about when he was to receive a fat tip from a visitor, to having to help the visitor home, because his cards were blank. The magnetic fields (if that is what they are) are quite extraordinary, as it is not trivial to ’blank’ credit cards.
This inventor has not fallen in the white supremacy rabbit hole, where so many inventors end up, preaching how unfairly they are treated by big finance, the oil industry, governments etc, when in fact they are not successful in selling their process. That skill is required as well, and is why salespeople are well rewarded.
This process and derivatives from it, can be made to convince ourselves that the processes are for real, can provide continuous energy, and that they provide a very good path forward. Just imagine a distributed power grid, with 10kW generators everywhere. That would be a resilient society.
But the best feature to me, is the lab bench quality. The process is so accessible, inside a tube, and is continuous.
Fabulous!
And, has the potential to relatively simply retrofit planet Earths entire ICE driven rolling stock and generator sets etc. since, at its heart, it is a fuel pre-processor. If it increases efficiency by 30%, since energy prices are set at the margin, this will massively affect the cost of living. If it can be made to run on the sugars in berry juice, then it is transformational.
We have a process gas mass spectrometer. If we can detect mass 4 by catalically oxidising D2 and and removing the heavy water produced - we will have detected 4He. If we detect 4He, we can 100% prove there is a novel process occurring.
We already know methods for shielding SR. We know what to look for exactly as signatures of BL on a copper rod if it is included and we know what impacts from EVOs look like.
The only possible gasses that can be produced in the system according to the MFMP reaction calculator predictions based on "rapidly fitting the products into the smallest box" - 4He and Oxygen - are the only gasses noted by the claimants as being produced.
I like the consistency here.
As I understand it, the rod is not treated in any way before it is placed in the tube. It is only after running in the device that it gets strange magnetic properties. Is that right.
Spot on. This is stated precisely by Paul in the full video. I hope to finish the re-mastering of the video and transcript subtitles today.
I believe the Fractal Toroidal Moment and bound, organised monopoles derived from the self-organisation of turbulence driven charged particles create the observed persistent anomalous effects.
So there's a bit of a kerfuffle happing involving Malcolm Bendall & Randall Carlson presenting a new energy tech to their online followers. Claiming to have made groundbreaking discoveries with buzzwords like, plasmoids, clean combustion, resonances, thunderstorm generators and so on and so on.
Looking at the available documentation on https://www.strikefoundation.earth/ the retrofitted engine assemblies involve a Pantone generator with a "thunderstorm generator" on the end but I'm not able to make sense from all of the vaporware around it. It just has a snake-oil salesmen vibe around it adding the "sacred geometry, resonance, numerology" to this. Pretty curious about any opinions on this.
Malcolm Bendall relies on Ken Shoulder's work. This is a good start. It is not good form that he is trying to change Shoulders' Exotic Vacuum Object (EVO) name for the structures involved.
It is also not good that he is changing the name of LENR to LEAR, since whilst the process can go further than nuclear reactions, it does do that too.
Changing names is a way to obfuscate the origin.
More lamentably, he is not admitting what is clearly a Pantone device IMHO. If it is not a Pantone device, it is doing the same thing and not really that novel.
It is not groundbreaking. If it is a larger scale Pantone, it is at least a more public demonstration of what Pantone claimed to have done and some licences apparently did without his permission when Pantone legitimately held a patent (which has now expired).
Without the rod, it is similar to the previously published work at Taipei University in respects of counter directional fluids (steam/refrigerant/water) - in part like a condensing boiler.
https://youtu.be/RiKHM3weUjw
https://youtube.com/live/UH76XaTz4qE
Plasmoids are a hangover from Bostick et. al. work (1948-1980), as Matsumoto notes, Plasmoids are insufficient to explain the phenomenon - this is why Shoulders ended up at EVOs.
Ken did not accurately describe the substructure - he did say that it was a "multiple toroidal structure" that has scale quantisation and describes a non-EM capability that can only be interacted with by scalar and vector potentials in line with Z'eldovic's 1950s work. John Wheeler laid a good grounding in his 1954 'GEONs' paper - but the best understanding came from the 1965 paper of Dubovik in the toroidal extention of electrodynamics and the mathematical proof of the toroidal moment that was only verified in the west in 1997 and never (to the best of my knowledge) discussed by shoulders.
In Feb 2020, having studied a John Hutchison sample, I deduced and published a fractal toroidal structure, the magneto-electrodynamics of which it later turned out is compatible with the proposals of Dubovik. When I found the physical embodiments of these in my analysis of Henk Jurrein's VEGA experiment, on sending these to the Russian "Cold Nuclear Transmutation and Ball Lightning" community, I was sent, without comment, a 1995 published paper by Zhvirblis that talked about classified soviet research. I translated this paper and it was in line with my physical findings of a "wheel, within a wheel, within a wheel" fractal structure and made similar statements that I had proposed. I also found the associated mathematical proof by Russian physicist in the journal "Electricity" that proved the validity of the structure that results in the formation of long-lived, electromagnetic phantoms that are made of closed pointing vectors.
I then learned of the SLAC researcher into Ball Ligtning - David Fryberger, did a similar proof, 21 years later predicting what he called "Vacuum Currents".
I have included all of these papers in this blog, and links to the original Russian works.
It is related to sacred geometry and I have precisely shown over the past 6 years how, based on empirical evidence publicly shared as it happened.
It is completely related to resonance as I have shown in publically shared and replicated experiments - in particular ULTR.
Numerology is just a representation of the natural structures formed, like the Golden Ratio that is inherent in the Ring Spot -> Spindle Torus that forms the Vesica Pisces and extends out the flower of life and all derived aspects of that.
If they have not made a GEET reactor analogue work in 7 years, they have not been trying hard enough.
And am I the only one that squints and sees a Tesla turbine here? When we start to unravel this I bet we are going to start defining modes, e.g. combustion, combustion of cracked hydrocarbons, CNO and other fusion paths and combinations thereof. I also think we may end up with a an HHO bubbler in the mix eventually. And don't forget soda and beer are carbonated, so even without autogeneration of carbon it's likely in the mix most of the time if only from traces in air...
Not just fusion
Not sure if anyone caught it but Paul mentioned synthetic oil and antifreeze won't work with the latter pretty much ruining the reactor because it leaves a coating in the chamber. That should tell us something.
The stories about frequencies from ungrounded reactors being picked up as EPIRBs from downed aircraft is also interesting..
perhaps the ethylene glycol that is partially broken up ends up forming a polymer in the cooling phases of the reactor.
Would it be worth trying a carbon rod in the geet reactor also?
Yes.
...and a Tungsten rod, with the expectation that it gets vaporised?
Possibly, or severely damaged.
Copper may be better as is all spin nuclei and we have something to compare the damage against.
By way of an intuitive observation, since the gases are moving through the reactor at something approaching sonic speeds, it seems unlikely that there could be a sufficient exchange of heat for the engines to run cool at either the input or exhaust without an endothermic reaction (LENR?) drawing much of the heat from the exhaust by magnetic transfer. If LENR is indeed taking place as the driving force of reactions, it can hardly be exothermic, or the reactor it seems would quickly melt down from excess heat. Help me if I’m thinking wrongly here.
If matter is fully collapsed in either the core of fluxes or in the magnetic core or fractal toroids - in Matsumoto's "point of electro-nuclear collapse" the energy/matter is re-born, and as I argue, it will be re-born as ordinary matter based on the nucleation of the mono-atomic matter there or the predominant wave function.
That is to say, the system may literally convert the bulk of the theoretical yield into ordinary nuclei - As I noted, Piantelli observed protons being emitted, Adamenko states that "in the electro-nuclear macro-cluster, periodically stable nuclei are formed and ejected from cluster". The most statistically likely is a proton.
If the fusion on the outside produces 32.450455 MeV is captured in the coherent matter and quanta of this is energy is regenerated into protons
Mass energy equivalent of one proton = 938 MeV
Energy yield from CH4 + 2e- + 2 Relic Antineutrinos > 16O = 32.450455 MeV
The net energy yield from synthesis of 29 Oxygen atoms would produce 1 proton with a balance of around 3 MeV.
Alternatively, energy could be emitted in RF or other field froms of energy, or partially stored or projected into the far field.
First, we have to establish if 4He is produced. We have the equipment to do that in California and reactors being built. If there is 4He, we have a process that is transmuting matter in some way.
Bob, you’re so far over my head I just have to hope you don’t drop anything! Why does understanding this all hinge on 4He production? It seems to me that if there are any elements that come out in different ratios than they went in, it would be an indication that transmutation is occurring.
D mass can be H2.
T mass can be HD
D2 can be same mass as 4He, but it can be catalytically removed 4He is inert.
4He is a signature of the the CNO Cycle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNO_cycle
I thought everyone understood that the GEET was a different way to obtain water lysis. Transmutations are also probably to be found. In this case is friction and temperature what provides the electrostatic potential to crack the water molecules. It is enough to create glowing plasma. It probably takes a lot more fine tuning to get it right in a mechanical set up than with electrolysis, but the range of phenomena is there. Unfortunately most people don’t look beyond the claims of fuel savings, but the whole system is fascinating and so full of variables to tweak.
Hi Curbina, I am coming at this with fresh eyes with the learning of the past 6 years, especially things we can repeat at will and on demand that have a proven main-stream basis and consistent phenomenological basis.
Is quite the journey!
I understand, is great that you can see this through your own perspective, and probably you will be able to see things most of us missed. I just happen to have known about it since long due to my interest in all things exotic technologies for what is soon to become 20 years (besides my 33 years of following “Cold Fusion”). I have learnt, thanks to you, how looking at things with fresh eyes can be really a game changer.
Many years ago, I did not know what to think about GEET - it was just a lot of claims that I had no frame of reference to judge veracity on. Now, the claimed observations are a logical consequence of EVOs, Fractal Toroidal Moments and the results of their activity that we have caught on video and observed in analysis.
FWIW I also went down the Joe Cell rabbit hole around the same time. It may be instructive to revisit that as well in hopes using the observations there to see if our theories can account for those results. Without reviewing those vids I do recall something that mentioned conditioning the water and maybe the engine block before it ran reliably. This intuitively feels like maybe building and feeding EVOs. I seem to recall what then seemed weird one wire current flow or something involved which also calls to mind Papp.
Another observation is that a lot of the previous successes in this realm (Papp, Myers, others) maybe are intentionally complex or obfuscated for patent purposes. I always tell myself lightning and indeed ball lightning occur naturally and in the atmosphere, so we ought to be able to emulate the conditions in our creations in a pretty straightforward manner without needing anything exotic.
Hey Bob!! I'm so glad you took a deep dive on this and noticed the 5 consistencies you mention above. I think hearing about 4 of them (I hadn't heard the magnetic fields in glass one yet) was what tipped me of to the fact this was most probably legitimate. I will watch this videos over the coming few days and any others I can find and add any points of similarity or testable claims below.
Much appreciated.
Hey Bob,
One thing that I've heard twice now is that the GEET generator needed to be grounded, or the FAA and black hawks helicopters would result. This leads me to 2 comments. 1) I can see why the build of charge clusters might ultimately draw attention, but it's unclear to me if this is attention because of concern of the potential for weaponization or something else. 2) The design you showed in your presentation doesn't indicate where the grounding might be best attached to the unit. I understand from your speaking regarding the Papp engine why it is important to ground the device. Of the currently 3 hours of video I've seen, I haven't yet seen any mention of devices exploding, or any other reason why grounding might be needed and also what kind of resistance one should have in he grounding wire. These might be good things to bring up in any future coverage you do.
As I suggested, unlike the Papp, the device has O2 in it, especially on the output, this paramagnetic molecule aggregates the monopoles and they are expelled.
I supect if there is an optimal angle for the point and divot on the rod. I have a feeling we will see a familiar one... Sight glass or clear reactor will probably make that test more interesting.
I think that ULTR tells us that exactly,
Cone with dimple and Pit with pimple
That’s what I was thinking. Nature shows all if we look.
Yes, it does.
The cool silent running thing with GEET.... A tree can burst through concrete sidewalk without making a sound even though it is just cellulose and water (just water lol!). Terrain theory informs. Set up the correct environment or terrain and nature will do what comes naturally ala plasma miners with Henk or fermenting bread or kimchi.
I'm beginning to see linked threshold systems stuck together like modular processes. Once you realize you are often seeing the same thing from different angles or in literal different light it helps.
If something is hard - you are likely fighting nature
Really drives home how we are making energy in the worst ways. From refining crude to enriching uranium only to have to deal with mess in the every aspect of the processes. Opposite true in nature. Nothing is wasted and nothing is really that hard to deal with pollution wise. The gods must get a kick out of our too clever folly. Well that is about to be over…
Thank you Bob. I am pleased GEET may now have a valid explanation. When I first saw it some years ago I thought it was a fuel pre-heater of some type, now I see it in a completely new light.
I will follow the research here in parallel with my current project.
Currently, I am re-creating a piece of Peter Graneau's work and successfully exploding water in the garden. I should have access to a permanent workshop soon and now have a larger bank of 24kV, 48x HV High Farad capacitors recently delivered, still wiring them together this week. Ultimately I plan to make an experimental loud detonation engine that runs on water. It may be LENR I am not sure yet. It may or may not be over-unity it mostly depends on efficiencies on kinetic energy capture. In a vertical cylinder it is about 150% gain, as recorded on the published science papers. Has anyone else tried this here? Cheers, David W.
In his book Paul mentions several things I haven't heard in his videos.
Most interestingly here h mentioned testing at the Met-Chem Testing lab in Salt Lake City where they didn't detect any alpha, beta, or gamma rays, that's not that weird here until you hear the account includes holding an x-ray film near the reactor. Fingers facing the reactor, and soft tissue appears on the film. And so does the thumb bone. The technician was wearing a standard x-ray lead glove according to the account. Strange radiation indeed.
@Bob: I published a new aether model & theory yesterday, compatible with theological models:
https://arcanus.substack.com/p/syncretic-gnosticism-and-kabbalistic
I've expanded on the concepts substantially. Could I get you to take a peek? I would like your feedback, and verification against any inaccuracies or mis-steps.
Email me! Coffee awaits you!