Wow Bob! This is great! The 1000000 pixel page sounds like a fantastic idea. I'de be down for at least 100 pixels. I came to the thought process last year that if I am really occupying my own timeline (arguable crazy talk) the only way such a revolutionary energy technology will ever manifest in my world is if I am integral in having it …
Wow Bob! This is great! The 1000000 pixel page sounds like a fantastic idea. I'de be down for at least 100 pixels. I came to the thought process last year that if I am really occupying my own timeline (arguable crazy talk) the only way such a revolutionary energy technology will ever manifest in my world is if I am integral in having it built, funding it, or building it myself. This is possibly the only competition type mechanism I've seen that might just do the trick. I don't know if you could attach the payout to a smart contract of which you and two other independent parties were designated as the oracles to certify payment of the payout. I don't think your going to have any issue getting the first 50k, but for those who aren't familiar with your work and are worried you might abscond with the money a smart contract might ease their worries.
Regarding the optimal operating range or possible circuit designs for a xenon bulb based system. I would direct people to Moray B King's book quest for zero point. On page 71 he says the following "A super tube which combines the use of the hollow cathode discharge, radioactive cathodes, and inert gas mixtures should create an axcessive energy output when tuned to cycle in the abnormal glow discharge regime. Output energy in the form of large voltage spikes are efficiently absorbed by a Pulse Current Multiplier circuit which might offer a solid state means of tapping the zero-point energy". On later pages he gives multiple examples for circuits as well as cathode designs and a discussion of the "abnormal glow discharge", it might be worth looking at for anyone considering attempting this challenge. https://ipfs.io/ipfs/bafykbzacecf5htpql3x2ogyin4ixcn6bhdzhmocjukg6gnkl3ifaxm7ytf5ta
Also I've had a number of people tell me that emails I've sent them have never arrived, so I'm going to paste some information below that I emailed to you but think may have just disappeared.
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I recently saw a video on youtube and then shortly after had a family member also contact me about the specific paper covered in that video.
Anyways I was trying to explain to my family that the most important take away from this experiment and effect isn't even what they are talking about in the paper.
It is the relation to micro-ball lightning or EVO's. The centripetal accelerations experienced inside a ball lightning or EVO is going to be well within the range that it could be extracting at least 1K thermal energy just from the quantum background field.
I think this may be something worth considering as a mechanism that feeds energy to EVO's in addition to the energy achieved by transmuting matter and compressing it into a smaller box.
I lack the mathematical understanding to fully digest how this works, but I think I have a fair intuitive understanding.
Anyways I have some back of the napkin calculations below just to illustrate what I mean.
If we have a micro ball lightning of radius 0.002 m (this is a typical size in an experiment if I remember correctly) with an outside velocity of 1/3 rd the speed of light (also reasonable I believe).
Ac=(299792458/3)^2/0.002=4.993084326×10¹⁸
One can see that it is just two orders of magnitude off, but it is in the range of the aforementioned effect that would generate a 1 K thermal photon temperature per some unit area I presume.
If you take the micro ball lightning and drop it's size to 20 micron, now you have 4.993084326×10^20, which would generate energy comparible to that described in the paper.
This also gives a very good intuitive explanation in my mind as to why these EVO's and ball lightnings might tend towards smaller sizes as they decay. (I say might as I don't really know if this is the case or not)
Basically the amount of energy they can extract from the quantum background field would be higher they smaller they are because of the centripital acceleration they experience.
I'll leave it there but this line of thinking very much ties back into the work of Konstantin Meyl and his explanation/derivations of subatomic particles as combinations of nested vortex fields.
Thanks Bob for responding to that last part. I was under the impression that the acceleration in the order of 10^20 m/s^2 was causing 1K of thermal photons to be generated from the vacuum. You needn't respond here, but if as I think the establishment is claiming the predicted emission of thermal photons happens during acceleration of the matter (and by our reckoning the corresponding/subsequent formation of the coherent matter) (I would argue it needs to be a specific type of acceleration, vorticular compression), what is the conventionally understood mechanism in "science" corresponding to our understanding of the extraction of the thermal photons during the collapse of coherent matter? Would it be the explosive decompression of matter via a vorticular path? My honest impression of that whole paper (https://www.nature.com/articles/s42005-021-00622-3) is that their replication (if attempted) is going to be a failure because it is not a vorticular compression of matter (like I assume happens in a black hole) just a lateral oscillation and they were going to then hold it up as a failure example of why energy cannot be drawn from the vacuum. Much like the Michelson-Morley experiment was held up as proof no aether exists, when some would argue it was flawed in it's construction (I can try to dig up a reference of at least one counter argument if anyone is curious). Thanks for all you do Bob and sorry for what must seems as questions you feel you have already answered.
I have the book and read it in Vietnam in January 2020, yes this is likely what Rossi is doing deliberately or by accident, in a way it is not to dissimilar to those doing corona discharge where I believe coherence is achieved - latest to do this is Savvatimovva at ICCF-23.
You could build a pickup around the tube and also a penning trap to hone the active area. I suggested the use of Krypton 85 as an accelerant if it can be got! But I don't think it is necessary.
Hey Bob, Thanks! Just to be clear, I bought this book on your recommendation so thanks for the tip-off :). Also I agree a pickup is probably a better technique than what is proposed in the book as if one is waiting to absorb "large voltage spikes", one would presumably be absorbing the energy from de-shelving EVO's. I can only imagine that if they were to fully de-shevel they would do greater damage to the small terminals on the xenon lamp. Versus yours/Solin's suggested technique of using a pickup coil to bleed energy off a persistent EVO, which I can only imagine will do much less terminal damage. I am so very much looking forward to seeing what the community comes up with regarding this challenge. People including myself need to know there is another way through this mess than the big industry solutions they are being given (which they know either won't actually solve the issues, and/or will never arrive), which they can build themselves :) It's the only way!
Also the more I think about it the more I think using a smart contract is an unnecessary complication that might just backfire, best to perhaps just keep any payout system simple stupid. I'de hate to be the one who suggested a technologically solution I don't fully understand all the risks associated with, to have it used and then have it horribly backfire.
Thanks Peter, this book means a lot of inspiration. I have seen many things in my reactor without knowing what I saw. Bob explained a lot already, now this add's another 'layer'. Work to do! I printed the book, now I can read it before I go to sleep, will go to bed early :-)
NP Henk, Bob was the one who recommended it about a year and a half ago in one of his videos. I think Bob is also right that the Solin style pickup is probably the best way to go (see my reply to him below if curious), but perhaps the tuning and discussion of abnormal glow discharge may be of use to help you tune something better. Anyways thanks for all the great work you do Henk, you are an inspiration to so many of us :) Hopefully if others can reproduce some of the effects with just Xenon bulbs we can all soon be taking part. I think this are going to start progressing very fast on many fronts from here on out!
Hi Peter, I am still trying to wrap my head around exactly what the radial pickup is picking up in the Solin design. It would have to be the E-field from the A potential that would be generated radially by the moving magnetic charges (squiggles) along the axis of the e-beam from top- to bottom+ in Solin reactor design correct? No idea what kind of voltage/frequency this would manifest itself as on the output of the pickup but I guess we will just have to find out!
Hey Dave, I'll start by saying I don't know but I'm happy to speculate :). My working hypothesis had been that one was going to try and tune to some harmonic of the EVO that you had built in the material/plasma. For example if it's spinning at 1/10th the speed of light and has a size of 5mm and a lifetime of 5ms after each pulse or something. I was thinking there would be some frequency that was in a workable range, that one might be able to capture the AC oscillations from. I wasn't thinking to extract energy from the moving magnetic charges (squiggles) (coherent matter traveling waves) as they traveled along the axis of the ebeam. I think your idea is fine though. Honestly I need to go and read the Solin design again to better understand the layout of the reactor, I've looked at the patent just now but I haven't put in the necessary time to say with any confidence. I don't know if the coil that is extracting power is #12 "productivity coil" or #52 "inductance catcher". If it's #12 it is located in a position to capture power from emitted particles perhaps. If it is #52 it looks like it's around the bulk of the material and maybe more to capture some kind of magnetic currents in the bulk of the material... Sorry I can't be more helpful.
Just to supplement my reply with one other thing. I still very much like the idea where to my understanding after my first read at least Moray B King is specifying a circuit to capture the charge from presumably when the EVO impacts he anode. But I think the anode and cathode might degrade quickly. That was why the idea of using a coil to resonantly capture power from the EVO seemed nice, but probably more difficult. I suppose there is nothing to stop one trying to do both, or perhaps even all 3 (including your idea to capture energy from the moving EVO's). In terms of my thought of capturing resonant energy, it might even be as simply as I think Bob was suggesting in his video of using a solar cell to capture the UV output :) I think his latest video he said Brilliant light power quoted something like 250x more photonic output power (https://youtu.be/le4zdLSpgKA?t=161) than input power... With a 20% efficiency of a solar cell and typical xenon lamp was 5% efficient you get a total loss of 99% of the power. But he said 250x more output power than input so you only need to take into account the 20% solar cell efficiency. You still are going to be making a very large gain of like 50x (probably worse due to worse solar cell efficiency if you don't just break the cell altogether).
Hi Peter, Need a lot of reading and understanding to do. I have replicated the Super Tube and did not know what is was, I called it the 'heatpipe'. I am curious what is in the document about it. And indeed, when more people start doing experiments the faster we will find out what to do. Need to study Solin as well....
It is nice to hear I am an inspiration! It has been much fun to do it and see it, a real joy, and it is even better to show it and see the wonderful explanations and pictures from Bob!
Wow Bob! This is great! The 1000000 pixel page sounds like a fantastic idea. I'de be down for at least 100 pixels. I came to the thought process last year that if I am really occupying my own timeline (arguable crazy talk) the only way such a revolutionary energy technology will ever manifest in my world is if I am integral in having it built, funding it, or building it myself. This is possibly the only competition type mechanism I've seen that might just do the trick. I don't know if you could attach the payout to a smart contract of which you and two other independent parties were designated as the oracles to certify payment of the payout. I don't think your going to have any issue getting the first 50k, but for those who aren't familiar with your work and are worried you might abscond with the money a smart contract might ease their worries.
Regarding the optimal operating range or possible circuit designs for a xenon bulb based system. I would direct people to Moray B King's book quest for zero point. On page 71 he says the following "A super tube which combines the use of the hollow cathode discharge, radioactive cathodes, and inert gas mixtures should create an axcessive energy output when tuned to cycle in the abnormal glow discharge regime. Output energy in the form of large voltage spikes are efficiently absorbed by a Pulse Current Multiplier circuit which might offer a solid state means of tapping the zero-point energy". On later pages he gives multiple examples for circuits as well as cathode designs and a discussion of the "abnormal glow discharge", it might be worth looking at for anyone considering attempting this challenge. https://ipfs.io/ipfs/bafykbzacecf5htpql3x2ogyin4ixcn6bhdzhmocjukg6gnkl3ifaxm7ytf5ta
Also I've had a number of people tell me that emails I've sent them have never arrived, so I'm going to paste some information below that I emailed to you but think may have just disappeared.
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I recently saw a video on youtube and then shortly after had a family member also contact me about the specific paper covered in that video.
The paper itself is available at https://www.nature.com/articles/s42005-021-00622-3
The article shared by my family member is this one https://scitechdaily.com/clever-physics-experiment-that-produces-something-from-nothing/
The youtube video is this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaSeEDlR5bY
Anyways I was trying to explain to my family that the most important take away from this experiment and effect isn't even what they are talking about in the paper.
It is the relation to micro-ball lightning or EVO's. The centripetal accelerations experienced inside a ball lightning or EVO is going to be well within the range that it could be extracting at least 1K thermal energy just from the quantum background field.
I think this may be something worth considering as a mechanism that feeds energy to EVO's in addition to the energy achieved by transmuting matter and compressing it into a smaller box.
I lack the mathematical understanding to fully digest how this works, but I think I have a fair intuitive understanding.
Anyways I have some back of the napkin calculations below just to illustrate what I mean.
In that paper at https://www.nature.com/articles/s42005-021-00622-3 they say
"to measure for example a 1 K thermal photon temperature, a uniform detector acceleration a = 2.47 × 10^20 m/s^2"
Centripital acceleration is defined as follows for a circular path https://opentextbc.ca/openstaxcollegephysics/chapter/centripetal-acceleration/
Ac=V^2/r
If we have a micro ball lightning of radius 0.002 m (this is a typical size in an experiment if I remember correctly) with an outside velocity of 1/3 rd the speed of light (also reasonable I believe).
Ac=(299792458/3)^2/0.002=4.993084326×10¹⁸
One can see that it is just two orders of magnitude off, but it is in the range of the aforementioned effect that would generate a 1 K thermal photon temperature per some unit area I presume.
If you take the micro ball lightning and drop it's size to 20 micron, now you have 4.993084326×10^20, which would generate energy comparible to that described in the paper.
This also gives a very good intuitive explanation in my mind as to why these EVO's and ball lightnings might tend towards smaller sizes as they decay. (I say might as I don't really know if this is the case or not)
Basically the amount of energy they can extract from the quantum background field would be higher they smaller they are because of the centripital acceleration they experience.
I'll leave it there but this line of thinking very much ties back into the work of Konstantin Meyl and his explanation/derivations of subatomic particles as combinations of nested vortex fields.
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That is the entire point of "What Goes Up, Must Come Down" - it extracts Thermal photons from the far field. And more
Thanks Bob for responding to that last part. I was under the impression that the acceleration in the order of 10^20 m/s^2 was causing 1K of thermal photons to be generated from the vacuum. You needn't respond here, but if as I think the establishment is claiming the predicted emission of thermal photons happens during acceleration of the matter (and by our reckoning the corresponding/subsequent formation of the coherent matter) (I would argue it needs to be a specific type of acceleration, vorticular compression), what is the conventionally understood mechanism in "science" corresponding to our understanding of the extraction of the thermal photons during the collapse of coherent matter? Would it be the explosive decompression of matter via a vorticular path? My honest impression of that whole paper (https://www.nature.com/articles/s42005-021-00622-3) is that their replication (if attempted) is going to be a failure because it is not a vorticular compression of matter (like I assume happens in a black hole) just a lateral oscillation and they were going to then hold it up as a failure example of why energy cannot be drawn from the vacuum. Much like the Michelson-Morley experiment was held up as proof no aether exists, when some would argue it was flawed in it's construction (I can try to dig up a reference of at least one counter argument if anyone is curious). Thanks for all you do Bob and sorry for what must seems as questions you feel you have already answered.
I have the book and read it in Vietnam in January 2020, yes this is likely what Rossi is doing deliberately or by accident, in a way it is not to dissimilar to those doing corona discharge where I believe coherence is achieved - latest to do this is Savvatimovva at ICCF-23.
You could build a pickup around the tube and also a penning trap to hone the active area. I suggested the use of Krypton 85 as an accelerant if it can be got! But I don't think it is necessary.
Hey Bob, Thanks! Just to be clear, I bought this book on your recommendation so thanks for the tip-off :). Also I agree a pickup is probably a better technique than what is proposed in the book as if one is waiting to absorb "large voltage spikes", one would presumably be absorbing the energy from de-shelving EVO's. I can only imagine that if they were to fully de-shevel they would do greater damage to the small terminals on the xenon lamp. Versus yours/Solin's suggested technique of using a pickup coil to bleed energy off a persistent EVO, which I can only imagine will do much less terminal damage. I am so very much looking forward to seeing what the community comes up with regarding this challenge. People including myself need to know there is another way through this mess than the big industry solutions they are being given (which they know either won't actually solve the issues, and/or will never arrive), which they can build themselves :) It's the only way!
Also the more I think about it the more I think using a smart contract is an unnecessary complication that might just backfire, best to perhaps just keep any payout system simple stupid. I'de hate to be the one who suggested a technologically solution I don't fully understand all the risks associated with, to have it used and then have it horribly backfire.
Awesome post Peter!
Thanks Peter, this book means a lot of inspiration. I have seen many things in my reactor without knowing what I saw. Bob explained a lot already, now this add's another 'layer'. Work to do! I printed the book, now I can read it before I go to sleep, will go to bed early :-)
NP Henk, Bob was the one who recommended it about a year and a half ago in one of his videos. I think Bob is also right that the Solin style pickup is probably the best way to go (see my reply to him below if curious), but perhaps the tuning and discussion of abnormal glow discharge may be of use to help you tune something better. Anyways thanks for all the great work you do Henk, you are an inspiration to so many of us :) Hopefully if others can reproduce some of the effects with just Xenon bulbs we can all soon be taking part. I think this are going to start progressing very fast on many fronts from here on out!
Hi Peter, I am still trying to wrap my head around exactly what the radial pickup is picking up in the Solin design. It would have to be the E-field from the A potential that would be generated radially by the moving magnetic charges (squiggles) along the axis of the e-beam from top- to bottom+ in Solin reactor design correct? No idea what kind of voltage/frequency this would manifest itself as on the output of the pickup but I guess we will just have to find out!
Hey Dave, I'll start by saying I don't know but I'm happy to speculate :). My working hypothesis had been that one was going to try and tune to some harmonic of the EVO that you had built in the material/plasma. For example if it's spinning at 1/10th the speed of light and has a size of 5mm and a lifetime of 5ms after each pulse or something. I was thinking there would be some frequency that was in a workable range, that one might be able to capture the AC oscillations from. I wasn't thinking to extract energy from the moving magnetic charges (squiggles) (coherent matter traveling waves) as they traveled along the axis of the ebeam. I think your idea is fine though. Honestly I need to go and read the Solin design again to better understand the layout of the reactor, I've looked at the patent just now but I haven't put in the necessary time to say with any confidence. I don't know if the coil that is extracting power is #12 "productivity coil" or #52 "inductance catcher". If it's #12 it is located in a position to capture power from emitted particles perhaps. If it is #52 it looks like it's around the bulk of the material and maybe more to capture some kind of magnetic currents in the bulk of the material... Sorry I can't be more helpful.
Page 72 https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/c2/ba/55/53bb21cf86d34d/WO2002067270A1.pdf
From https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2002067270A1/en
10 - Inductance Coil 1 - Operational Screens
12 - Productivity Coil
50 - inductance catcher
51 - a unit with an input and output unit for entering and leaving a cooling medium
52 - inductance catcher
53 - Room for refrigeration 3
Just to supplement my reply with one other thing. I still very much like the idea where to my understanding after my first read at least Moray B King is specifying a circuit to capture the charge from presumably when the EVO impacts he anode. But I think the anode and cathode might degrade quickly. That was why the idea of using a coil to resonantly capture power from the EVO seemed nice, but probably more difficult. I suppose there is nothing to stop one trying to do both, or perhaps even all 3 (including your idea to capture energy from the moving EVO's). In terms of my thought of capturing resonant energy, it might even be as simply as I think Bob was suggesting in his video of using a solar cell to capture the UV output :) I think his latest video he said Brilliant light power quoted something like 250x more photonic output power (https://youtu.be/le4zdLSpgKA?t=161) than input power... With a 20% efficiency of a solar cell and typical xenon lamp was 5% efficient you get a total loss of 99% of the power. But he said 250x more output power than input so you only need to take into account the 20% solar cell efficiency. You still are going to be making a very large gain of like 50x (probably worse due to worse solar cell efficiency if you don't just break the cell altogether).
Peter;
I plan to test all of these ideas and keep the findings public through the mfmp.
Hi Peter, Need a lot of reading and understanding to do. I have replicated the Super Tube and did not know what is was, I called it the 'heatpipe'. I am curious what is in the document about it. And indeed, when more people start doing experiments the faster we will find out what to do. Need to study Solin as well....
It is nice to hear I am an inspiration! It has been much fun to do it and see it, a real joy, and it is even better to show it and see the wonderful explanations and pictures from Bob!