Feb 10, 2023·edited Feb 10, 2023Liked by Bob Greenyer

How they understood these symbols is separate from "that they used these symbols - and why?". Superficially, of course, it is because these forms keep showing up at all levels in nature - the tree, the mushroom, vegetation in general, insects, water flows/whirlpools. In the same way the "brick" shape keeps showing up in Lego models, so the shapes seen in nature are being determined by the shapes of fields and constructs that underlie them.

But the Romans were not dumb - far from it - so it is highly likely that some knew of their deeper significance (just as is the case today). They were also very, very adept at weaving and making use of learning from older societies and civilizations they had "incorporated" (ahem) into their own, the most obvious being the Greek Civilizations, which themselves had incorporated learning from Egypt and Babylon that drew, in turn, their learning from Sumer that drew, in turn ... and that's where history runs out and the mythohistoric record takes over, to which I then point the reader to the works of Dwardu Cardona (if Malta hasn't given him a posthumous medal for services to humanity, it should do!) that he collected together into his books God Star (2006), Flare Star (2007), Primordial Star (2009), Newborn Star (2016), Metamorphic Star (2020), where much of what we have seen "down the microscope" was "writ large in the sky" - as recorded, for example, by the ubiquitous squatter man petroglyph seen around the world.

Now, "present day" humans have been around for at lest 35,000 years,, and clearly saw some remarkable sights around the globe such that they felt compelled to record them in rock art, yet these same humans just sat around for at least 28,000 years until they suddenly decided to start farming, build cities, chart stars / seasons / cycles, and general do "learned things" - and I have to ask, is that world view really tenable?

Or, have there indeed been previous learning cycles and advancements in knowledge that produced fruit in keeping with what we are (again?) learning, knowledge that was lost due to one or more major cataclysms that occured during times when our ancestors roamed the Earth.

Now, many "scholars" have a problem with this non-uniformitarianism (catastrophism) world view, yet even in recorded history there were times were knowledge from as recently as the late Roman Period was nearly totally lost - and then, of course, there is the Antikytheria Mechanism, whose design, construction and production would not be matched until the late Victorian era - yet it went down with a Greek ship that sank in the Roman-era whose shipwreck was dated to the second quarter of the first century BC. Further, given its construction, and its likely use for longitudinal navigation, it is likely that many, many such mechanisms were produced, but that these were likely melted down / recycled as humanity actually "went backwards" during the first millenium AD.

What is very telling, of course, is that the Mechanism was recovered in 1901 yet only taken for examination around 75 years later and only post-2000 fully reconstructed and understood.

The fact that our ancestors drew trefoils, spirals, swastikas (left and right), yin-yang symbols as some of the oldest symbols known (that were later stylized and incorporated into hieroglyphs) should therefore very much start us to wonder what "ancient humans" knew, and just how far back they knew it - unless, of course, you are happy to assume humans just sat around for 28,000 years (at least) doing nothing very much at all - especially as there is much around the world "written in stone" (so, something capable of surviving catastrophic floods and earthquakes) that speaks very much to the contrary, like the Barabar Caves of India - want to know more - I suggest watching the videos at:


And, of course, there is Nan Madol - hardly built by "primitives in loin cloths"

Anyway, that's just my take on things... that, and listening to what nature is trying to tell us - "if we have ears to hear" as they say...

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The proper name of the swirly bits upon the symbols is called "flourishing", for the record. Like the french fleur de lis.

I've incidentally been working on a model of vacuum physics compliant with theology, it is available here: https://arcanus.substack.com/p/syncretic-gnosticism-and-kabbalistic

Would be interested in feedback, corroboration, error-finding thanks!

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