Also the SR torsion balance detector... trying to understand the working principle. My interpretation is rotational momentum is transferred to each magnet in same direction about the magnets vertical axis by the SR monopoles from the top and bottom. This then causes the assembly to rotate due to the torque on each magnet. Could we not simplify this to spin a single magnet or am i missing something here? To me the NSNS arrangement is to just make them stick to the nickel plate best by not repelling the neighbouring magnets and would not be part of the mechanism that actually causes the rotation itself? If that is the case i propose a single magnet levitating over bismuth or pyrolytic carbon as a much more sensitive detector than the balance assembly. I would like to have sensitive detector on hand during experiments so this is priority for myself.
Henk: I am Looking for power supply ideas for running my chamber long time periods. I was using a microwave oven transformer with rectifiers supplied from a variac at first but the mot gets very hot. Was experimenting with a multistage power supply when i moved to the new steel chamber in the video posted but i was still having problems getting the arc started due to the larger size of the new steel chamber, the 8” chamber needs high voltage to get the discharge going. Before i had to disassemble the setup i had an ORBIT for ignition, 3 other transformers in series to give about 600volts, and a MOT all paralleled with their own rectifiers then a choke to smooth out the discharge into the chamber but the main transformers were only providing a small portion of total current. The MOT was still providing the majority of current and heating up. Any ideas on a better supply design would be much appreciated prior to reassembling my setup.
Dave: I started with a croc-croft multiplyer and a variac. With additional stages i reached the right voltage to start the plasma (wih an arc)(3000V). The current was too low, I wanted more.
The microwave transformer and the variac worked fine, but indeed, the microwave transformer get's warm and the primairy can only handle 1/2 of the 230V, higher will not work.
I found out that two microwave transformers in series (prim) works fine. Both transformers have their own rectifier and together they do 0.5 amps. Still the transformers get warm, I use the ventilators from the old microwave ovens to cool them down. I use a 10uF capacitor to flatten the ripple. I use an old transformer in the positive feed as an induction to protect the rectifiers. I have to protect this induction also, the spikes can get so high that the insulation of the wiring gets damaged. I do this wit a small capacitor with 500ohm risistor parallel to the induction. Also I still use a 25 ohm resistor in the negative line to limit the current, this is also protection for the rectifiers (and transformers). When the plasma breaks down, the arc is like a shortcut, I like to limit that shortcut current.
I use 3 sets of transformers richt now so I can step the current up to 1.5 amps.
With this solution I have an open voltage of 1250V, enough to start the plasma en an operating voltage of 400V and above. This range appears to be enough (when the vacumm can get low enough)
Thanks Henk! I have a newly wound transformer i will be trying out along with the mot with inductor current limiting in the primaries. I would have to pull apart my tesla coil supply to get enough mots for 6 total so i will give the new transformer a try first. I also want to get more current continuous, will see how it goes.
Yes, I began working on this about 6 months ago myself after seeing what SAFIRE was up to, first test i did was in a large glass pickle jar and it generated on first test many double layers when a connector started to melt inside and off gas. Since the glass makeshift chamber was dangerous and required shielding, I designed and built an 8” cylindrical chamber to continue experiments more safely. Took more experiments to see similar results with the proper chamber, funny how sometimes the “some junk thrown together” initial experiments show incredible results that are much harder to reproduce in more proper controlled conditions! This is fascinating science so I am happy to share if it helps progress the science in an open environment.
There is a post on e-catworld probably written by former member of LENR-forum Director (he now uses the name Aureon Addict, but the style is hard to not notice) who gathered and analyzed to his best knowledge a good deal of information from the available SAFIRE videos. I think he did a good job speculating. Perhaps it’s good to give it a read if anything for all the little tidbits he managed to extract from the videos.
Thanks for finding this document. This will help to find better solutions. The 'tuning' of the system is the key. I agree with the suggestion that a good set of intruments in a lab setting will help a lot. But I also have proved you can build a system with 'anyting'. Only with a vacuum and a proper power supply (dirty is no problem) it will work. The combination of the right Anode alloy (and size) , system dimensions, gases and DC current will be the chalenge to find out. I have seen a lot, but the surplus of energy is between 2x and 3x, never I could get significant more out of the system.
What is clear also, the system changes within time, fuel gets burned, gasas transmutated, 'dirt' produced and much more. A few times I had the system running for two days, without switching it off. This with only minor ajustment (right vacuum and H2 supply) To be usefull as an energy system the 'fuel' must last for a long time, now the anodes burn violently or get dirty or do not work 'fine' . With the proper anode, it should be possible with ajusting the gas mixture, the current and the pressure to buld a long running system. My quest no is to find the right anode alloy and / or construction to enhance the efficiency.
Thanks for your account of how you are advancing in your work. I am more than thankful and impressed with what we have seen so far, you were able to reproduce many of the observations of the SAFIRE reactor, that alone is remarkable, but if you are also getting excess heat, that is also great.
It is a real miracle when I can see all these very interesting and beautifull 'things' happening. It is a 'soup' of fenomena. Hope to make it into a 'heater'. In my barn it works fine, but the efficiency is too low still.
Also the SR torsion balance detector... trying to understand the working principle. My interpretation is rotational momentum is transferred to each magnet in same direction about the magnets vertical axis by the SR monopoles from the top and bottom. This then causes the assembly to rotate due to the torque on each magnet. Could we not simplify this to spin a single magnet or am i missing something here? To me the NSNS arrangement is to just make them stick to the nickel plate best by not repelling the neighbouring magnets and would not be part of the mechanism that actually causes the rotation itself? If that is the case i propose a single magnet levitating over bismuth or pyrolytic carbon as a much more sensitive detector than the balance assembly. I would like to have sensitive detector on hand during experiments so this is priority for myself.
I have seen double layers with Propane gas. After a while the layers are gone.
Henk: I am Looking for power supply ideas for running my chamber long time periods. I was using a microwave oven transformer with rectifiers supplied from a variac at first but the mot gets very hot. Was experimenting with a multistage power supply when i moved to the new steel chamber in the video posted but i was still having problems getting the arc started due to the larger size of the new steel chamber, the 8” chamber needs high voltage to get the discharge going. Before i had to disassemble the setup i had an ORBIT for ignition, 3 other transformers in series to give about 600volts, and a MOT all paralleled with their own rectifiers then a choke to smooth out the discharge into the chamber but the main transformers were only providing a small portion of total current. The MOT was still providing the majority of current and heating up. Any ideas on a better supply design would be much appreciated prior to reassembling my setup.
Dave: I started with a croc-croft multiplyer and a variac. With additional stages i reached the right voltage to start the plasma (wih an arc)(3000V). The current was too low, I wanted more.
The microwave transformer and the variac worked fine, but indeed, the microwave transformer get's warm and the primairy can only handle 1/2 of the 230V, higher will not work.
I found out that two microwave transformers in series (prim) works fine. Both transformers have their own rectifier and together they do 0.5 amps. Still the transformers get warm, I use the ventilators from the old microwave ovens to cool them down. I use a 10uF capacitor to flatten the ripple. I use an old transformer in the positive feed as an induction to protect the rectifiers. I have to protect this induction also, the spikes can get so high that the insulation of the wiring gets damaged. I do this wit a small capacitor with 500ohm risistor parallel to the induction. Also I still use a 25 ohm resistor in the negative line to limit the current, this is also protection for the rectifiers (and transformers). When the plasma breaks down, the arc is like a shortcut, I like to limit that shortcut current.
I use 3 sets of transformers richt now so I can step the current up to 1.5 amps.
With this solution I have an open voltage of 1250V, enough to start the plasma en an operating voltage of 400V and above. This range appears to be enough (when the vacumm can get low enough)
Thanks Henk! I have a newly wound transformer i will be trying out along with the mot with inductor current limiting in the primaries. I would have to pull apart my tesla coil supply to get enough mots for 6 total so i will give the new transformer a try first. I also want to get more current continuous, will see how it goes.
There are already two experimenters working in a similar setup!?!?!? That’s great!!!
Yes.
When you ask a fair question of an audience - it is the first to put their hand up that gives confidence to the rest.
HENK should be given a lot of credit for coming forward.
Yes, I began working on this about 6 months ago myself after seeing what SAFIRE was up to, first test i did was in a large glass pickle jar and it generated on first test many double layers when a connector started to melt inside and off gas. Since the glass makeshift chamber was dangerous and required shielding, I designed and built an 8” cylindrical chamber to continue experiments more safely. Took more experiments to see similar results with the proper chamber, funny how sometimes the “some junk thrown together” initial experiments show incredible results that are much harder to reproduce in more proper controlled conditions! This is fascinating science so I am happy to share if it helps progress the science in an open environment.
Are these spots analogous to so called sun spots?
No, but in time I will extend what I have suggested are the cause of sunspots and also explains the corona heating mystery.
There is a post on e-catworld probably written by former member of LENR-forum Director (he now uses the name Aureon Addict, but the style is hard to not notice) who gathered and analyzed to his best knowledge a good deal of information from the available SAFIRE videos. I think he did a good job speculating. Perhaps it’s good to give it a read if anything for all the little tidbits he managed to extract from the videos.
https://e-catworld.com/2020/12/18/the-safire-plasma-reactor-the-breakdown-of-a-miracle-in-seven-steps/
Thanks for finding this document. This will help to find better solutions. The 'tuning' of the system is the key. I agree with the suggestion that a good set of intruments in a lab setting will help a lot. But I also have proved you can build a system with 'anyting'. Only with a vacuum and a proper power supply (dirty is no problem) it will work. The combination of the right Anode alloy (and size) , system dimensions, gases and DC current will be the chalenge to find out. I have seen a lot, but the surplus of energy is between 2x and 3x, never I could get significant more out of the system.
What is clear also, the system changes within time, fuel gets burned, gasas transmutated, 'dirt' produced and much more. A few times I had the system running for two days, without switching it off. This with only minor ajustment (right vacuum and H2 supply) To be usefull as an energy system the 'fuel' must last for a long time, now the anodes burn violently or get dirty or do not work 'fine' . With the proper anode, it should be possible with ajusting the gas mixture, the current and the pressure to buld a long running system. My quest no is to find the right anode alloy and / or construction to enhance the efficiency.
Thanks for your account of how you are advancing in your work. I am more than thankful and impressed with what we have seen so far, you were able to reproduce many of the observations of the SAFIRE reactor, that alone is remarkable, but if you are also getting excess heat, that is also great.
It is a real miracle when I can see all these very interesting and beautifull 'things' happening. It is a 'soup' of fenomena. Hope to make it into a 'heater'. In my barn it works fine, but the efficiency is too low still.