Very interesting and important finding! It is really surprising that it can be derived (quite intuitively) from the Maxwell equations, and even though nobody ever realized it. I never heard nothing similar to the concept of a closed path for the Poynting vector, but it is a direct consequence of the equations! It would be interesting simulating something similar with a multiphysics tool (such as Comsol). The other surprising thing is that this "phantom" has the same structure of an EVOs, but it is not made by electrons, but by fields (i.e. it is a property of space). Of course there should be a relationship between the two, but they are conceptually two different things.
back in Feb 2020, I was doing this all in my head based on the known properties of the particles in play. It didn't need maths to understand what I was witnessing.
It is very nice to have the proof though, firstly physical and then to have that force out this theoretical proof. Very satisfying.
When my bother was using Comsol, he had to repeatedly pay 10,000 of pounds to fix bugs and inadequacies, perhaps it could, worth a try for those with access to the monstrously expensive licenses.
Well, Electrons moving through space make the phantom - so you need them to induce it, but once made - even a 3 tier structure is sable for 2 days - how long might the phantom part of a 4+ tier structure be stable for? Could it be stable for months as apparently was the case in Hutchison samples, Dash LENR, Savvatimovva, ECCO Fuel, LION crust, Barronov and Zatelepin Bismuth experiment - all ready to be re-excited and play an active role within ms when fed energy in the right way.
Having a pure field structure is exactly how an EVO can "Walk right through things" and then later interact with matter. It also explains the black part of lightning bolt tracers.
Question: some accounts of ball lightnings observe that sand and water fall out of ball lightnings when they evaporate, suggesting that ball lightnings can carry material objects on inside.
Is this possible according to what had be learned so far?
As far as I understand, the coherent matter layer of the quantum Macro object shields the action of the the thing that we observe as gravity acting on the material inside.
Yeah, the concept of the closed path Poynting vector is a bit of genius that I somehow hadn't ever considered. Its the type of thing where its just staring you in the face but you don't see it until...well, until you do see it. Regarding this being 'made of electrons' or not, there are those in this field who don't think that electron bunching truly explains the EVO. I've been watching lectures by Moray B. King recently, and his interpretation is that this is 'macroscopic charge itself' - so perhaps more to do with fields of the ether. His belief is that Ken Shoulders didn't quite think that either.
Thanks for the hard work Bob. Amazing and hilarious paper. It's almost like the author is suffering from "fractal shock": all of a sudden miracles are real and reality makes sense. And it's "classified" too:)
Yep - I felt the same when I realised what EVOs could do in the winter 2016-2017. I felt sorry for those I was to foist them on, but I took it gently - 5 years, step by step and since then, we learned the broad brush stroke of the core object from LIONs in 2018, The only possible logical detailed EM structure from Hutchison 'Fracture' Sample in early 2020 and most recently - physical manifestations of this structure in the aftermath of VEGA experiments and the travelling waves they produce on film.
Now we have the electrodynamics theoretical proof based on standard, accepted, mainstream Maxwell equations for the EXACT same structure!
Science does not get more precisely predictable and provable than this.
Moreover, we know quite a bit of what this can do from the documented Hutchison Effects.
It's astounding but not totally surprising that a Soviet-era scientist stumbled upon one of these classified programs, was skeptical but then became convinced, and then writes a paper about "electromagnetic ghosts" that connects LENR to Maxwell's equations. And then passes on leaving us the paper which you just came across.
Back in 1989, I was part of a summer program at an international research institute in Vienna founded by Nixon and Brezhnev during the Cold War. I was studying applications of fractals and found that all the young Soviet scientists completely, instantly understand what I talking about and no one else did. So I figured they were way ahead in other areas of science too. The Bagel paper confirms it. One of the most important scientific documents ever.
Interesting, and I agree - it cannot be overstated how important this could be, moreover, following the evidence I came to the same conclusion of the exact same fractal structure for the same EM reasons, only from studying physical evidence and cluster behaviour.
I will publish the translation of the mathematical proof this evening. It starts to make a wide array of technologies and phenomena obvious.
Yes, your model got me interested right away when I first saw your channel two years ago. The Bagel model, developed decades apart, is the same thing. BTW, synchronistically, this crop circle in 1997, the Koch Snowflake by Silbury HIll is the first one I ever visited and walked around in.. Also, discussed in my dissertation. Coincidence? I think not. http://www.korncirkler.dk/universe/silbury1.jpg
And the sister formation, same year 1997 at nearby Milkhill near Alton Barnes. Same friend (Ron Russell), same microlight flight. http://www.mountbaldy.com/Milkhill3.JPG
I have nearly finished the translation of the 1993 Russian mathematical proof paper for SuperSuperTors - 1 page to go, I hope to then do the layout and publish it tomorrow.
Back in 90's, during bombing of Serbia, a friend of mine served in anti aircraft units and he described how one night huge hole opened in the clouds and two NATO aircraft dropped down through that hole and then they released lightning balls from under their wings. These lightning balls flew down toward their unit but nothing happened, balls didn't explode. That's exactly how story was told to me.
Bob, another ball lightning witness case where they saw an n-Tor shaped BL in the room with them, complete with what seem to be poloidal structures at 45 degree angle to the torus.
"I was on vacation in Florida sleeping when a light woke me up I looked over to see a round shape glowing on the bed next to me so I sat up and leaned close to look at it. from 2 foot away I could see it was actually a thin walled torus with stripes revolving over its surface at about a 45 degree angle to the horizontal when the stripes came to the top of the barrel / they turned over the top and went down \ again at a 45 degree angle on the inside of the barrel, upon coming to the bottom they turned over the rim and continued up on the outside of torus. on same 45 degree angle. (I think must be like a smoke ring with some sideways motion too) I wanted to touch it but when I turned on the lamp between the two beds the thing disappeared. damn oh well called wife told her all about it it was 4 in the morning it the state of Washington. the whole thing was over in minutes. from what I've read it is good that I didn't touch it."
Allen knapstad <allenknap at verizondot com use net not com> USA - Sunday, April 08, 2007 at 02:12:57 (PDT)
Thank you Bob! Fascinating stuff - this could explain so many anomalous findings by others. It all fell into place for me when I saw the circular Poynting vector.
I think a modular approach to the building of the coils could be employed, but scaled up in size with each order of the torus - possibly easy to do on a 3d printer.
I wonder if the energy input to setup the field would be equal (less losses) to what you could pull out of such a field once it was set up?
Hi Notch, Several people are using a modular approach, however, "Cosmic Dave" rigged up an Auto-magical winding rig and decided to wide the first fine coil on a ferromagnetic core and he has had the most striking results with a 1,2,3,4 - tor continuous LLLL coil, with the magnetic field collapsing, but the electric field being persistent for around an hour and even being able to persist in free space after power and even coil removed (though about 1/3rd of strength for the left behind field).
He is currently winding on paramagnetic and non-magnetic cores to make comparisons.
First stage wire wrapping for second stage bobbin, coiled OD 1.7mm for stage 1.
Second experiment. This time at 30Hz. Same result.
Notes:-
Field remained after input switched off, into the night.
Field had collapsed by next morning.
Floor lamp field rechecked and measured at 0 V/m at 6" (15 cm) away from LED bulb - unlikely to affect the test area, but will remove this even further away for next experiments - as it has a tall metal stand.
Bob, I'm just finishing writing a book about the relationship of ball lightning to paranormal phenomena. It would be great to use a graphic of the supersuperTor in my chapter on fractals. Do you think Chemistry of Life still exists as a magazine? Or is this Russian copy you received now in the public domain. Thanks.
Hi Simeon, What I can say is that the rules on copyright changed in Russia in 1990 - according to the archive site of "Electricity" that I took the Nevessky paper from.
Note, there is no mention of ball lightning or consciousness in either paper, though both papers refer to interaction with biology, though not psychology. And my view is, if you didn't say it, it didn't happen.
The Image of the Super Super Tor is one built by Zhvirblis of course, not the one he witnessed.
Well Bob, since we don't know about the copyright status on the Bagel images how about if I use your orange, fractal n-Tor graphic since it's the same thing? And I'll send you some books. It's about why people see orbs, balls of light, and strange luminosities around bigfoot/Sasquatch encounters (also UFOs and crop circles) which happen from time to time in parts of the US, especially out West in Colorado where I live. I'm basing the book in part on your work/MFMP, Parkhomov, Matsumoto, and Shoulders, of course. I've been working on it since last Fall and it's due out on July 1st. It's for a lay audience and early pre-pub reviews are enthusiastic.
I can’t seem to figure out how to email you or find the comment you made on where to do that. Would you be so kind and email me : carmenmagnetra@gmail.com or add me on WhatsApp 2508092314
Randell Mills writes that a free electron is a disk-shaped rotating electric field. If that is true can electrons, rotating in the same plane, then accumulate in a row and then in a toroidal.
The EM clustering, predicted by myself from studying LION and Hutchison witness marks and then proven by observation of de-cohered clusters in VEGA Valley happened somehow, and "The Bagel Game" provides the missing link and the 1993 math proof I will publish tonight.
At this stage, it almost does not matter what form the electron takes, we know how to use it to make stable EM clusters with magical properties.
Not yet. I know that Dr. Alexander Parkhomov is trying to reach out to the last person he knows that worked on the classified research. I will update here as soon or if I know more, on either the extra references or feedback from the original researchers.
Finished translation of N.E. NEVESSKY proof of SuperSuperTor structures and re-constructed equations. Will do layout and publish tomorrow. Here is the conclusion.
"Thus, systems composed of elementary current structures should have unusual properties both with respect to their own functioning and with respect to radiation, and this makes them an interesting subject for theoretical and experimental research."
Thanks so much for the translation. Boy did that ever click with me. So beautiful to contemplate the implications of the holofractal torus.
I can't help but think that so called Antiquitech that powered temples and star forts etc is nothing but EVOs being charged or pumped by tuning to the Schuman resonance or a harmonic thereof. Lightening rods and the power grid would mask that. In fact I seem to recall Stienmetz was brought in to stop the grids from resonating and running themselves when the breakers to the generators were opened.
Notice how a natural river course looks like an EVO path? I bet there is a a suable way to leverage that flow too. Vicktor Shauberger said about nature, "Comprehend and copy," a sentiment I know you agree with. I seem to recall there were healthy and unhealthy sides of riverbends. Reminds me of the handedness of the coils/EVOs in the paper.
Lots to think about. Especially re feathers and scales and hair and nails and bones.
What is really interesting is that DNA is coiled in this same triple coil way. Like taking old analog phone cable and coiling it around a bagel. Maybe there is a reason that DNA does this?
Very interesting and important finding! It is really surprising that it can be derived (quite intuitively) from the Maxwell equations, and even though nobody ever realized it. I never heard nothing similar to the concept of a closed path for the Poynting vector, but it is a direct consequence of the equations! It would be interesting simulating something similar with a multiphysics tool (such as Comsol). The other surprising thing is that this "phantom" has the same structure of an EVOs, but it is not made by electrons, but by fields (i.e. it is a property of space). Of course there should be a relationship between the two, but they are conceptually two different things.
EDIT: I found this paper that may be related/relevant: https://eprints.soton.ac.uk/380437/1/accepted_version.pdf
back in Feb 2020, I was doing this all in my head based on the known properties of the particles in play. It didn't need maths to understand what I was witnessing.
It is very nice to have the proof though, firstly physical and then to have that force out this theoretical proof. Very satisfying.
When my bother was using Comsol, he had to repeatedly pay 10,000 of pounds to fix bugs and inadequacies, perhaps it could, worth a try for those with access to the monstrously expensive licenses.
Well, Electrons moving through space make the phantom - so you need them to induce it, but once made - even a 3 tier structure is sable for 2 days - how long might the phantom part of a 4+ tier structure be stable for? Could it be stable for months as apparently was the case in Hutchison samples, Dash LENR, Savvatimovva, ECCO Fuel, LION crust, Barronov and Zatelepin Bismuth experiment - all ready to be re-excited and play an active role within ms when fed energy in the right way.
Having a pure field structure is exactly how an EVO can "Walk right through things" and then later interact with matter. It also explains the black part of lightning bolt tracers.
It also explains how Ball Lightning can travel through solids. Total game changer.
Question: some accounts of ball lightnings observe that sand and water fall out of ball lightnings when they evaporate, suggesting that ball lightnings can carry material objects on inside.
Is this possible according to what had be learned so far?
As far as I understand, the coherent matter layer of the quantum Macro object shields the action of the the thing that we observe as gravity acting on the material inside.
Yeah, the concept of the closed path Poynting vector is a bit of genius that I somehow hadn't ever considered. Its the type of thing where its just staring you in the face but you don't see it until...well, until you do see it. Regarding this being 'made of electrons' or not, there are those in this field who don't think that electron bunching truly explains the EVO. I've been watching lectures by Moray B. King recently, and his interpretation is that this is 'macroscopic charge itself' - so perhaps more to do with fields of the ether. His belief is that Ken Shoulders didn't quite think that either.
Electrons allow you to build the structures that can contain electrons, but don't have to.
Thanks for the hard work Bob. Amazing and hilarious paper. It's almost like the author is suffering from "fractal shock": all of a sudden miracles are real and reality makes sense. And it's "classified" too:)
Yep - I felt the same when I realised what EVOs could do in the winter 2016-2017. I felt sorry for those I was to foist them on, but I took it gently - 5 years, step by step and since then, we learned the broad brush stroke of the core object from LIONs in 2018, The only possible logical detailed EM structure from Hutchison 'Fracture' Sample in early 2020 and most recently - physical manifestations of this structure in the aftermath of VEGA experiments and the travelling waves they produce on film.
Now we have the electrodynamics theoretical proof based on standard, accepted, mainstream Maxwell equations for the EXACT same structure!
Science does not get more precisely predictable and provable than this.
Moreover, we know quite a bit of what this can do from the documented Hutchison Effects.
It's astounding but not totally surprising that a Soviet-era scientist stumbled upon one of these classified programs, was skeptical but then became convinced, and then writes a paper about "electromagnetic ghosts" that connects LENR to Maxwell's equations. And then passes on leaving us the paper which you just came across.
Back in 1989, I was part of a summer program at an international research institute in Vienna founded by Nixon and Brezhnev during the Cold War. I was studying applications of fractals and found that all the young Soviet scientists completely, instantly understand what I talking about and no one else did. So I figured they were way ahead in other areas of science too. The Bagel paper confirms it. One of the most important scientific documents ever.
Interesting, and I agree - it cannot be overstated how important this could be, moreover, following the evidence I came to the same conclusion of the exact same fractal structure for the same EM reasons, only from studying physical evidence and cluster behaviour.
I will publish the translation of the mathematical proof this evening. It starts to make a wide array of technologies and phenomena obvious.
Everything is coming together rather nicely.
Yes, your model got me interested right away when I first saw your channel two years ago. The Bagel model, developed decades apart, is the same thing. BTW, synchronistically, this crop circle in 1997, the Koch Snowflake by Silbury HIll is the first one I ever visited and walked around in.. Also, discussed in my dissertation. Coincidence? I think not. http://www.korncirkler.dk/universe/silbury1.jpg
Nice Crop circle!
And the sister formation, same year 1997 at nearby Milkhill near Alton Barnes. Same friend (Ron Russell), same microlight flight. http://www.mountbaldy.com/Milkhill3.JPG
Definitely. Here's a version I have copyrights to, friend took it from a microlight. You can use it too. https://mountbaldy.com/Silbury%20Hill2.jpg
Thank you much for the translation
I have nearly finished the translation of the 1993 Russian mathematical proof paper for SuperSuperTors - 1 page to go, I hope to then do the layout and publish it tomorrow.
UPDATE: 5 May 2022
I have found the 1993 SuperSuperTor field structure proof paper and hope to publish a translation ASAP.
See above for intro and conclusion and one of the papers diagrams.
7 transcription errors to equations have been made to "Electromagnetic fields of current structures" and new version 2.0 available for download on
https://remoteview.substack.com/p/electromagnetic-fields-of-current?s=w
Will publish translation and re-mastered equations of the 1993 mathematical proof in a few hours.
I will update the accuracy of the translation and re-upload to this post later.
Pleasure. Use wisely, vacuum engineering, it's all there is, nothing beyond this.
I can tell you as well this had been weaponized.
Back in 90's, during bombing of Serbia, a friend of mine served in anti aircraft units and he described how one night huge hole opened in the clouds and two NATO aircraft dropped down through that hole and then they released lightning balls from under their wings. These lightning balls flew down toward their unit but nothing happened, balls didn't explode. That's exactly how story was told to me.
I have heard from other Serbians that several weapons were tested during that conflict.
Hi Bob, so on page 4, is it saying the left-left-right-right is the proper configuration? Is that the "geometry of the emitter" it means?
Bob, another ball lightning witness case where they saw an n-Tor shaped BL in the room with them, complete with what seem to be poloidal structures at 45 degree angle to the torus.
"I was on vacation in Florida sleeping when a light woke me up I looked over to see a round shape glowing on the bed next to me so I sat up and leaned close to look at it. from 2 foot away I could see it was actually a thin walled torus with stripes revolving over its surface at about a 45 degree angle to the horizontal when the stripes came to the top of the barrel / they turned over the top and went down \ again at a 45 degree angle on the inside of the barrel, upon coming to the bottom they turned over the rim and continued up on the outside of torus. on same 45 degree angle. (I think must be like a smoke ring with some sideways motion too) I wanted to touch it but when I turned on the lamp between the two beds the thing disappeared. damn oh well called wife told her all about it it was 4 in the morning it the state of Washington. the whole thing was over in minutes. from what I've read it is good that I didn't touch it."
Allen knapstad <allenknap at verizondot com use net not com> USA - Sunday, April 08, 2007 at 02:12:57 (PDT)
Hi Simeon, thanks for sharing this important physical observation of a toroidal ball lightning. Very interesting detail.
Thank you Bob! Fascinating stuff - this could explain so many anomalous findings by others. It all fell into place for me when I saw the circular Poynting vector.
I think a modular approach to the building of the coils could be employed, but scaled up in size with each order of the torus - possibly easy to do on a 3d printer.
I wonder if the energy input to setup the field would be equal (less losses) to what you could pull out of such a field once it was set up?
Hi Notch, Several people are using a modular approach, however, "Cosmic Dave" rigged up an Auto-magical winding rig and decided to wide the first fine coil on a ferromagnetic core and he has had the most striking results with a 1,2,3,4 - tor continuous LLLL coil, with the magnetic field collapsing, but the electric field being persistent for around an hour and even being able to persist in free space after power and even coil removed (though about 1/3rd of strength for the left behind field).
He is currently winding on paramagnetic and non-magnetic cores to make comparisons.
First stage wire wrapping for second stage bobbin, coiled OD 1.7mm for stage 1.
https://youtu.be/kk5u2xrtriI
Fishing Line as T1 Bagel Core - 26 AWG magnet wire - wrapping in progress.
https://youtu.be/BM7f2YA-yAc
Second experiment. This time at 30Hz. Same result.
Notes:-
Field remained after input switched off, into the night.
Field had collapsed by next morning.
Floor lamp field rechecked and measured at 0 V/m at 6" (15 cm) away from LED bulb - unlikely to affect the test area, but will remove this even further away for next experiments - as it has a tall metal stand.
https://youtu.be/-2Ap60x2ha4
Bob, I'm just finishing writing a book about the relationship of ball lightning to paranormal phenomena. It would be great to use a graphic of the supersuperTor in my chapter on fractals. Do you think Chemistry of Life still exists as a magazine? Or is this Russian copy you received now in the public domain. Thanks.
Hi Simeon, What I can say is that the rules on copyright changed in Russia in 1990 - according to the archive site of "Electricity" that I took the Nevessky paper from.
Note, there is no mention of ball lightning or consciousness in either paper, though both papers refer to interaction with biology, though not psychology. And my view is, if you didn't say it, it didn't happen.
The Image of the Super Super Tor is one built by Zhvirblis of course, not the one he witnessed.
Well Bob, since we don't know about the copyright status on the Bagel images how about if I use your orange, fractal n-Tor graphic since it's the same thing? And I'll send you some books. It's about why people see orbs, balls of light, and strange luminosities around bigfoot/Sasquatch encounters (also UFOs and crop circles) which happen from time to time in parts of the US, especially out West in Colorado where I live. I'm basing the book in part on your work/MFMP, Parkhomov, Matsumoto, and Shoulders, of course. I've been working on it since last Fall and it's due out on July 1st. It's for a lay audience and early pre-pub reviews are enthusiastic.
Hi Bob
I can’t seem to figure out how to email you or find the comment you made on where to do that. Would you be so kind and email me : carmenmagnetra@gmail.com or add me on WhatsApp 2508092314
You can go to http://www.quantumheat.org/ and klick on top on "contact us"
Thanks Artefact.
Randell Mills writes that a free electron is a disk-shaped rotating electric field. If that is true can electrons, rotating in the same plane, then accumulate in a row and then in a toroidal.
https://brilliantlightpower.com/atomic-theory/
The EM clustering, predicted by myself from studying LION and Hutchison witness marks and then proven by observation of de-cohered clusters in VEGA Valley happened somehow, and "The Bagel Game" provides the missing link and the 1993 math proof I will publish tonight.
At this stage, it almost does not matter what form the electron takes, we know how to use it to make stable EM clusters with magical properties.
Anybody find this yet "Journal of Electricity 1993, No 12 pp 49-52" for the mathematical treatment?
Would love to start getting into the math now, since it will probably take me several months to digest it.
Not yet. I know that Dr. Alexander Parkhomov is trying to reach out to the last person he knows that worked on the classified research. I will update here as soon or if I know more, on either the extra references or feedback from the original researchers.
fascinating ... any plans for reproduction ?
Many others have reported that they intend to attempt to build coils. This is a moment for collective iteration.
Finished translation of N.E. NEVESSKY proof of SuperSuperTor structures and re-constructed equations. Will do layout and publish tomorrow. Here is the conclusion.
"Thus, systems composed of elementary current structures should have unusual properties both with respect to their own functioning and with respect to radiation, and this makes them an interesting subject for theoretical and experimental research."
Thanks so much for the translation. Boy did that ever click with me. So beautiful to contemplate the implications of the holofractal torus.
I can't help but think that so called Antiquitech that powered temples and star forts etc is nothing but EVOs being charged or pumped by tuning to the Schuman resonance or a harmonic thereof. Lightening rods and the power grid would mask that. In fact I seem to recall Stienmetz was brought in to stop the grids from resonating and running themselves when the breakers to the generators were opened.
Notice how a natural river course looks like an EVO path? I bet there is a a suable way to leverage that flow too. Vicktor Shauberger said about nature, "Comprehend and copy," a sentiment I know you agree with. I seem to recall there were healthy and unhealthy sides of riverbends. Reminds me of the handedness of the coils/EVOs in the paper.
Lots to think about. Especially re feathers and scales and hair and nails and bones.
It really is an exciting time to be alive.
This popped up recently
https://pubs.aip.org/aip/apr/article-abstract/11/3/031411/3306444/Observation-of-resilient-propagation-and-free
looks like they are creating the EM-wave equivalent to the moving charge case.
What is really interesting is that DNA is coiled in this same triple coil way. Like taking old analog phone cable and coiling it around a bagel. Maybe there is a reason that DNA does this?