Hi Bob and others. I have aspirations as an indie game developer, and spend a lot of time sifting through reference imagery to build textures and models. In this pursuit, I've found some photographs online that I believe you'd find interesting - I'd like to share a couple, as a testament to how I've trained my eye with all this material. There was a time not so long ago where I would have overlooked the significance of these reliefs, as many do today. I'd also like to share them as a treat - some esoteric eye candy if you Will.
and should it please you to do so, you can go have a look at the 'ornaments' section of textures.com, where I source most often from. There's A LOT of old archaeology photographed in here that tells tales. Bob's right, you really can see it EVERYWHERE once you start looking.
Thanks again for answering my questions, your answer made total sense of where to look for the solitons, vortices in cavitation. And I listened to the call later and totally agree with you to stay away from theory. We could argue about that forever, literally, and the world is waiting. I love ideas but seriously, we use quantum technologies all day and there are at least 6 or so different interpretations about why it works. There's no consensus but life still goes on. Nature works. Cheers.
Hi Simeon, Any theory, including anything I have postulated is open to debate or revision as more hard repeatable facts emerge. What is not in doubt is physical and spatial outcomes driven by whatever rules of nature underpin them. It is clear to me now that it is a hydrodynamic phenomena and because it is in the presence of charge separated material, it is naturally a Magneto-hydrodynamic process.
Since Dubovik and Shishkin refer to a thing that is equivalent to EVOs as Magneto-Toro Electrical Radiation and when they entrain ions/electrons, Magneto-Toro Electrical Clusters, I am minded to agree with them. When EVOs and Itonic-Clusters are referred to as equivalent to BL, there is a convergence of theories with still some ambiguities.
When we synthesise things that look like BL, that leave the spoked toroidal marks of "Plasmoids" and the crenelated spheres of natural BL and the elemental composition in detritus equivalent to recorded spectra of BL - nature's signature is lining up. When this aligns with formerly classified energetics research in Russia and Communications research in US, I believe we are getting to the truth of the matter.
Great summary of all the various threads in this vast discussion so far. Like a huge but immensely satisfying jigsaw puzzle as we put each piece together.
Great discussion. My wheels are turning tonight.I hade a few questions. Firstly, would the unique recipes of solutions used in the Kladov cavitation be incorporated into the bubbler unit of the thunderstorm generator to achieve greater efficiencies including nano tungsten, aluminum, ferromagnetic oxides, lithium powders? Could you also add fluids to water such as ammonia, acids, hydrogen peroxide, deuterium heavy water, colloidal gold/ silver, etc. to promote charge separation, and magnetohydrodynamic moments? What would be the safest? Could you add quartz crystals to the bubbler unit to use the piezoelectric effect for charge separation and a submersible ultrasonic cleaner to assist in the reactions for increased efficiency and to promote bubble collapse. Lastly could you charge the plasmoids/ evo’s with an alternative heat source such as a charcoal fire with a stainless steel spiraling condenser pipe used for making moonshine after exiting the bubbler unit before being injected into the engine? Or do you have to have the thunderstorm generator fitted to engine for transmutations and cleaner emissions and Plasmoid charging?
Indeed there are many such tunnels which are known to be the work of prospectors or miners. There are many experts who have studied the telltale signs of prospecting and mining operations, going back to the Bronze Age, and earlier.
There are even known examples of souterrains and erdstaelle which were indeed rediscovered
and extended by prospectors.
But there are woodcuts that Dr. Kusch has reproduced in his books and lectures, that clearly illustrate medieval prospecting, dowsing, and mining tools (pick axes, hammer and chisle, buckets, barrows), techniques, and operations. The miners are getting the job done. They don't care about the precise shape of their tunnels, provided they are big enough to extract salt or ore, and don't collapse.
Off to the side, away from the mining operations, the illustrator showed the characteristically narrow and symmetrical tunnels that we call souterrains, erdstaelle, and podzemi. These are shown being created by thin black figures wielding only a straight rod almost as tall as the figures themselves.
Dr. Helen Wider is a retired professor of geography, who has looked carefully at the difference between water conduit tunnels, prospecting and mining tunnels, et cetera. She comes to the conclusion that all who carefully study them have reached for centuries. They were not created as prospecting and mining tunnels, although one can see where prospectors came along long after the tunnels were originally created.
Dr. Heinrich and Ingrid Kusch, retired professional archeologists, who specialized for more than 30 years in the archeology of natural caves, underground ritual sites and dwellings, and all types of mining tunnels, like many other professional archeologists who are familiar with the relevant details, agree that the relevant details rule out prospecting and mining tunnels.
It's a defining characteristic of what are called souterrains, erdstaelle, and podzemi, that upon careful scrutiny and analysis they don't make any sense as mining operations, et cetera.
Totally agree, Bob. You are getting near to it now. One of the UFOs Germany make by that Sch^*^% guy used the System the Russians use to make 600 KW from 1 KW. They used it for the bell.
Erdstaelle of astonishing symmetry, precision, and variety. All with identical mysterious parallel tool
marks. All with “lamp niches” carved into walls and ceilings, with the identical mysterious tool marks
extending through the niches. A “lamp niche” carved in the otherwise precisely, smoothly, symmetrically carved ceiling cannot hold a lamp. Are the ubiquitous niches energetic-resonance tuning divots?
What no one dared to imagine actually happened to the authors of this book in Northeastern Styria,
Austria, after years of archaeological investigations.
This illustrated text volume is a fascinating and unique research document that is based on tens of
thousands of hours of work and their results. It seamlessly complements the existing knowledge and,
with its new results, supports the findings published in the non-fiction text book “Gateways to the
Underworld” about a world that lies in the darkness of official research; This is also why many questions remain unanswered.
Through a renowned representative of the church, the internationally known authors and scientists, Heinrich and Ingrid Kusch, received information showing that they may actually have rediscovered the “gateways to the underworld”.
Today, the underground objects present themselves in the context of a type of use that is alien to us and is completely different than was previously assumed. It was possible to gain insights into topics preserved by the Church that seem so bizarre that they are difficult to describe and understand.
During their research, the authors came across relics of a currently probably unknown megalithic culture in Central Europe. For these, scientifically carried out TCN dating allowed us to determine a provisional age of over 10,000 years.
This non-fiction illustrated text volume takes you into an unknown and mysterious world beneath our feet; 240 illustrations present the authors' explosive research results in detail.
(2009) “Gateways to the Underworld: The Secret of the Underground Passageways from Ancient
During renovation work, a century-old cannonball is found in the roof of a farmhouse. Inside a hollow
space in the cannonball a hand-drawn plan was discovered that points to a labyrinth of underground
passages - this is not the beginning of a thriller, but actually happened in the eastern Styrian community of Vorau in Austria. And it was the starting point for a series of almost incredible discoveries.
The cave researchers Ingrid and Heinrich Kusch set out to explore the tunnel system, which is many kilometers in total length, and apparently leads to greater depths. In doing so they repeatedly came across details for which there is no explanation.
After a certain distance, most of these passages are not only bricked up, but also blocked off several
meters thick with rock weighing tons. Who was afraid of a danger from the depths?
What unknown tools and processing technique was used to cut so precisely, through solid rock, the parts of the corridors located deeper than the medieval areas? Why are these passageways so low and narrow?
A possible answer: The passages date back to prehistoric times, and there is a connection with other
unsolved mysteries of prehistoric times: for example, the so-called “earthen stables” (Erdstaelle) that can be found from France to the Czech Republic, or the thousands of menhirs that can be found in Styria seem to mark the underground passagway system. Does European prehistory need to be rewritten?
Hypotheses suggested by D. Zork
The Church Archive documents which completely map and describe the operation of the entire energetic transport system, from the British Isles to the Black Sea, show that the paired sending and receiving stations are generally located along the same ley line.
(1) Maybe the operation of this ancient energetic transport system depended upon locating the stations on the ley lines for at least two purposes:
(i) to power the sending transport chamber from the telluric currents flowing along the ley line, and
(ii) to channel the energetic resonance between the sending and receiving stations along the same ley line.
(2) This use of ley lines to channel resonance between sending and receiving stations was a convenience to simplify engineering and operation. Not a necessity.
(3) The mysterious parallel stone walls that run for miles in straight lines, often over rugged mountain terrain, across the landscape in North America, Europe, and in South Africa, maybe were built as channels for energetic resonance between sending and receiving stations, when the ley lines did not run in the direction of the intended destination.
(4) The mysterious parallel “cart tracks” in the outcropping bedrock in many places around the Mediterranean maybe were carved to function as channels for energetic resonance between sending and receiving stations, when ley lines did not run in the required direction.
Back it up a bit from this point to see just how hidden some of the souterrain entrances can be today. This tunnel system runs under a wooded slope in Switzerland.
This group of investigators only found this entrance because an informant remembered finding a small hole in the hillside thirty years before as a boy.
Notice the symmetrical shape of the tunnel; the strange regular tool marks on walls and ceiling; the divots or niches deliberately gouged in the evenly cut rock surfaces of different sections of tunnel.
One wonders if these tunnels are not the work of prospectors, looking for salt or other marketable material. In Austria, there are two large salt mines that are still producing salt today, one, that I visited last year is the oldest in the world.
When you look at the first mines, from 2800 years ago, someone had to dig through solid rock on speculation until they got lucky (there was a brackish spring, so there was a clue!). You could imagine a scenario where someone bought land on the promise that some mystic had said there was salt, opal, gold or whatever and the owner paid for some prospecting.
We had an "Ice Well" near where we lived in the UK, these were underground places where ice was packed from winter, and the whole place was used as a year round refrigerator for storing food.
Similarly, under the vegetable market in BRNO, the same principle was used to store produce by the traders in the middle ages.
Hi Bob and others. I have aspirations as an indie game developer, and spend a lot of time sifting through reference imagery to build textures and models. In this pursuit, I've found some photographs online that I believe you'd find interesting - I'd like to share a couple, as a testament to how I've trained my eye with all this material. There was a time not so long ago where I would have overlooked the significance of these reliefs, as many do today. I'd also like to share them as a treat - some esoteric eye candy if you Will.
https://imgur.com/a/pCHuvSB
and should it please you to do so, you can go have a look at the 'ornaments' section of textures.com, where I source most often from. There's A LOT of old archaeology photographed in here that tells tales. Bob's right, you really can see it EVERYWHERE once you start looking.
https://www.textures.com/category/ornaments/248
Very good - thanks for sharing.
Pleasure.
Thanks again for answering my questions, your answer made total sense of where to look for the solitons, vortices in cavitation. And I listened to the call later and totally agree with you to stay away from theory. We could argue about that forever, literally, and the world is waiting. I love ideas but seriously, we use quantum technologies all day and there are at least 6 or so different interpretations about why it works. There's no consensus but life still goes on. Nature works. Cheers.
Hi Simeon, Any theory, including anything I have postulated is open to debate or revision as more hard repeatable facts emerge. What is not in doubt is physical and spatial outcomes driven by whatever rules of nature underpin them. It is clear to me now that it is a hydrodynamic phenomena and because it is in the presence of charge separated material, it is naturally a Magneto-hydrodynamic process.
Since Dubovik and Shishkin refer to a thing that is equivalent to EVOs as Magneto-Toro Electrical Radiation and when they entrain ions/electrons, Magneto-Toro Electrical Clusters, I am minded to agree with them. When EVOs and Itonic-Clusters are referred to as equivalent to BL, there is a convergence of theories with still some ambiguities.
When we synthesise things that look like BL, that leave the spoked toroidal marks of "Plasmoids" and the crenelated spheres of natural BL and the elemental composition in detritus equivalent to recorded spectra of BL - nature's signature is lining up. When this aligns with formerly classified energetics research in Russia and Communications research in US, I believe we are getting to the truth of the matter.
Great summary of all the various threads in this vast discussion so far. Like a huge but immensely satisfying jigsaw puzzle as we put each piece together.
Wise words 🙂
Great discussion. My wheels are turning tonight.I hade a few questions. Firstly, would the unique recipes of solutions used in the Kladov cavitation be incorporated into the bubbler unit of the thunderstorm generator to achieve greater efficiencies including nano tungsten, aluminum, ferromagnetic oxides, lithium powders? Could you also add fluids to water such as ammonia, acids, hydrogen peroxide, deuterium heavy water, colloidal gold/ silver, etc. to promote charge separation, and magnetohydrodynamic moments? What would be the safest? Could you add quartz crystals to the bubbler unit to use the piezoelectric effect for charge separation and a submersible ultrasonic cleaner to assist in the reactions for increased efficiency and to promote bubble collapse. Lastly could you charge the plasmoids/ evo’s with an alternative heat source such as a charcoal fire with a stainless steel spiraling condenser pipe used for making moonshine after exiting the bubbler unit before being injected into the engine? Or do you have to have the thunderstorm generator fitted to engine for transmutations and cleaner emissions and Plasmoid charging?
I think it is less appropriate for the TSG than it is for the Windhexe, providing temperature and moisture to the device.
Indeed there are many such tunnels which are known to be the work of prospectors or miners. There are many experts who have studied the telltale signs of prospecting and mining operations, going back to the Bronze Age, and earlier.
There are even known examples of souterrains and erdstaelle which were indeed rediscovered
and extended by prospectors.
But there are woodcuts that Dr. Kusch has reproduced in his books and lectures, that clearly illustrate medieval prospecting, dowsing, and mining tools (pick axes, hammer and chisle, buckets, barrows), techniques, and operations. The miners are getting the job done. They don't care about the precise shape of their tunnels, provided they are big enough to extract salt or ore, and don't collapse.
Off to the side, away from the mining operations, the illustrator showed the characteristically narrow and symmetrical tunnels that we call souterrains, erdstaelle, and podzemi. These are shown being created by thin black figures wielding only a straight rod almost as tall as the figures themselves.
Dr. Helen Wider is a retired professor of geography, who has looked carefully at the difference between water conduit tunnels, prospecting and mining tunnels, et cetera. She comes to the conclusion that all who carefully study them have reached for centuries. They were not created as prospecting and mining tunnels, although one can see where prospectors came along long after the tunnels were originally created.
Dr. Heinrich and Ingrid Kusch, retired professional archeologists, who specialized for more than 30 years in the archeology of natural caves, underground ritual sites and dwellings, and all types of mining tunnels, like many other professional archeologists who are familiar with the relevant details, agree that the relevant details rule out prospecting and mining tunnels.
It's a defining characteristic of what are called souterrains, erdstaelle, and podzemi, that upon careful scrutiny and analysis they don't make any sense as mining operations, et cetera.
Thanks for the detail
Bob 2.30 to 2
38 into this show. The thunder cross https://youtu.be/h0gWtyCdji4?si=8pN0oOphArQBvR7I
It is one of the representations of Ball Lightning, it is no coincidence that it is used to represent both flight and a propulsion.
Yes, thought there was more to it. It is banned in Victoria Australia. Only banned last year.
When will they ban the Maltese Cross, also on the flag that spurred this banning.
When you have the secret, you don't want any easy way for others to get it.
Totally agree, Bob. You are getting near to it now. One of the UFOs Germany make by that Sch^*^% guy used the System the Russians use to make 600 KW from 1 KW. They used it for the bell.
Souterrains, Erdstaelle, & Schrattel
Underground Sending and Receiving Stations of the Ancient Energetic Transport System
(links compiled March 3, 2024, by D. Zork)
British Isles
Souterrains, Fogous
bbc.com/travel/article/20160531-the-mystery-of-englands-ancient-tunnels
archaeologyorkney.com/2015/12/15/going-underground-souterrains-at-the-cairns/
The cliffs of Dover are riddled with ancient souterrain complexes, which were refurbished and adapted
for coastal defense facilities during WW I and WW II.
Malta
The island of Malta is riddled with extensive souterrain complexes surrounding and opening onto the
floor of the deep dry moats surrounding ancient star-shaped fortresses. Was Malta a “Grand Central
Hub” of the ancient teleportation system?
France
Souterrains annulaires (ring-shaped tunnels and chambers)
youtube.com/watch?v=-iQIO3PO-Es
sciences-faits-histoires.com/blog/archeologie/auvergne-france-les-mysterieux-souterrains-annulaires.html
Switzerland
Erdstaelle of astonishing symmetry, precision, and variety. All with identical mysterious parallel tool
marks. All with “lamp niches” carved into walls and ceilings, with the identical mysterious tool marks
extending through the niches. A “lamp niche” carved in the otherwise precisely, smoothly, symmetrically carved ceiling cannot hold a lamp. Are the ubiquitous niches energetic-resonance tuning divots?
youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5YdJDxIRVTQsnHwEdLvgIQd2nWP-Unmq
Austria
Erdstaelle (known as “Schrattel” in Austrian German documents from the middle ages)
unterwelt-kusch.com/dokumentation/film-und-audiodokumentation/
Books by Dr. Heinrich and Ingrid Kusch:
(2022) “Secret Underworld: The Legacy of the Millenia-Old Subterranean Peoples”
unterwelt-kusch.com/dokumentation/buecher/geheime-unterwelt/
(2014) “Sealed-Off Underworld: The Secret of the Millenia-Old Passageways”
unterwelt-kusch.com/dokumentation/versiegelte-unterwelt/
What no one dared to imagine actually happened to the authors of this book in Northeastern Styria,
Austria, after years of archaeological investigations.
This illustrated text volume is a fascinating and unique research document that is based on tens of
thousands of hours of work and their results. It seamlessly complements the existing knowledge and,
with its new results, supports the findings published in the non-fiction text book “Gateways to the
Underworld” about a world that lies in the darkness of official research; This is also why many questions remain unanswered.
Through a renowned representative of the church, the internationally known authors and scientists, Heinrich and Ingrid Kusch, received information showing that they may actually have rediscovered the “gateways to the underworld”.
Today, the underground objects present themselves in the context of a type of use that is alien to us and is completely different than was previously assumed. It was possible to gain insights into topics preserved by the Church that seem so bizarre that they are difficult to describe and understand.
During their research, the authors came across relics of a currently probably unknown megalithic culture in Central Europe. For these, scientifically carried out TCN dating allowed us to determine a provisional age of over 10,000 years.
This non-fiction illustrated text volume takes you into an unknown and mysterious world beneath our feet; 240 illustrations present the authors' explosive research results in detail.
(2009) “Gateways to the Underworld: The Secret of the Underground Passageways from Ancient
Times”
unterwelt-kusch.com/dokumentation/tore-zur-unterwelt/
During renovation work, a century-old cannonball is found in the roof of a farmhouse. Inside a hollow
space in the cannonball a hand-drawn plan was discovered that points to a labyrinth of underground
passages - this is not the beginning of a thriller, but actually happened in the eastern Styrian community of Vorau in Austria. And it was the starting point for a series of almost incredible discoveries.
The cave researchers Ingrid and Heinrich Kusch set out to explore the tunnel system, which is many kilometers in total length, and apparently leads to greater depths. In doing so they repeatedly came across details for which there is no explanation.
After a certain distance, most of these passages are not only bricked up, but also blocked off several
meters thick with rock weighing tons. Who was afraid of a danger from the depths?
What unknown tools and processing technique was used to cut so precisely, through solid rock, the parts of the corridors located deeper than the medieval areas? Why are these passageways so low and narrow?
A possible answer: The passages date back to prehistoric times, and there is a connection with other
unsolved mysteries of prehistoric times: for example, the so-called “earthen stables” (Erdstaelle) that can be found from France to the Czech Republic, or the thousands of menhirs that can be found in Styria seem to mark the underground passagway system. Does European prehistory need to be rewritten?
Hypotheses suggested by D. Zork
The Church Archive documents which completely map and describe the operation of the entire energetic transport system, from the British Isles to the Black Sea, show that the paired sending and receiving stations are generally located along the same ley line.
(1) Maybe the operation of this ancient energetic transport system depended upon locating the stations on the ley lines for at least two purposes:
(i) to power the sending transport chamber from the telluric currents flowing along the ley line, and
(ii) to channel the energetic resonance between the sending and receiving stations along the same ley line.
(2) This use of ley lines to channel resonance between sending and receiving stations was a convenience to simplify engineering and operation. Not a necessity.
(3) The mysterious parallel stone walls that run for miles in straight lines, often over rugged mountain terrain, across the landscape in North America, Europe, and in South Africa, maybe were built as channels for energetic resonance between sending and receiving stations, when the ley lines did not run in the direction of the intended destination.
(4) The mysterious parallel “cart tracks” in the outcropping bedrock in many places around the Mediterranean maybe were carved to function as channels for energetic resonance between sending and receiving stations, when ley lines did not run in the required direction.
youtu.be/ipdhSsOjV0s?t=933
Back it up a bit from this point to see just how hidden some of the souterrain entrances can be today. This tunnel system runs under a wooded slope in Switzerland.
This group of investigators only found this entrance because an informant remembered finding a small hole in the hillside thirty years before as a boy.
Notice the symmetrical shape of the tunnel; the strange regular tool marks on walls and ceiling; the divots or niches deliberately gouged in the evenly cut rock surfaces of different sections of tunnel.
One wonders if these tunnels are not the work of prospectors, looking for salt or other marketable material. In Austria, there are two large salt mines that are still producing salt today, one, that I visited last year is the oldest in the world.
https://www.salzwelten.at/en/hallstatt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallstatt
When you look at the first mines, from 2800 years ago, someone had to dig through solid rock on speculation until they got lucky (there was a brackish spring, so there was a clue!). You could imagine a scenario where someone bought land on the promise that some mystic had said there was salt, opal, gold or whatever and the owner paid for some prospecting.
We had an "Ice Well" near where we lived in the UK, these were underground places where ice was packed from winter, and the whole place was used as a year round refrigerator for storing food.
Similarly, under the vegetable market in BRNO, the same principle was used to store produce by the traders in the middle ages.
https://podzemibrno.cz/en/places/labyrinth-under-the-vegetable-market/
Thankyou for this extensive summary, here are the facts of Znojmo that I mentioned (slightly less km than I recalled).
https://www.znojemskabeseda.cz/en/tourism/underground