Jun 13, 2022·edited Jun 14, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

Hey Guys, I made another script to generate the natural donut shapes in blender. I don't expect these will be as useful as the wire coil generator script. OpenSCAD doesn't support mesh deformations so I had to write it as a Blender script.

code: https://pastebin.com/F0Q4swpK (tested on blender 3.2 under linux, if you run into compatibility issues and want to use it let me know) (updated 2022-06-14 4:00:00 UTC to fix issue with squashing the second order torus along the wrong axis, and switching over to blender mesh deform from lattice deform, thanks Bob for spotting this, redownload if you got it before then)

video: https://youtu.be/Tv2LcJiED6U

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Jun 11, 2022·edited Jun 11, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

Hey Bob, I tried pricing getting one of these made via SLS from https://i.facfox.com/insta3dp/.

1) A D-4D 4 level bagel made on a formlabs fuse 1 in nylon with a diameter of 16.5 cm will set one back $9 USD per unit, minimum order size of $40 USD and shipping is about $40 USD so one could order 4 for about $80.

2) The same sized D-4D bagel made with DMLS SS 316 will set one back $524 USD + shipping

3) The same sized D-4D bagel made with DMLS Aluminum will set one back $245 USD + shipping

*didn't actually order one so there's a chance they may say the model is difficult and requires extra cost*

I looked into printing it on my FDM 3d printer and I think that the 4 level bagel would be impossible because the support structure will actually be more rigid than the bagel itself, and the number of retractions will mean it's basically gauranteed there will be at least one or two places it isn't connected properly, so it would likely be broken when you try to remove supports. It might be possible with a regular resin SLS printer but I don't have one to try. Given the price to buy them in nylon is pretty cheap (except for the minimum order price and shipping) I would probably take that route if I was going to try plating it.

For the mean time I will try to print a 3 level bagel with my FDM for now. Honestly though I think building a coil winder like the other guys is the way to go. I have a feeling the low resistance is key to creating a sustained field. Even Keshe "nano coats" his coils to achieve alleged superconductivity with KOH or burning the outside with a torch to soot them (this might be worth trying with our coils too), I feel the thickness you would obtain via plating would probably be inferior to the low resistance of a solid copper wire.

Perhaps in time we could make a repository where we create a kind of instructable with all the 3d models and parts detailing how to build a coil winder so others without the mechanical expertise could try and build them. Then iteratively improve on it.

I was talking to my family afew days ago saying the fundamental issue with all these "scalar" fields is that you can't measure them with devices. Either the mechanical ones or the bioavailable ones. And here you are today with this update giving us some hope we may actually be able to measure them to do some real quantitative science.

I dunno why I didn't think of this, but I have a spectrum analyzer and a handful of these near field magnetic probes. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32966266773.html It says "9KHz-6GHz" in the title so this may not work for the 30hz we are driving them with, I'm not sure how they came to that frequency range. If they worked they may be a cheaper easier option for people who have scopes already and want to test immediately while people work out how to interface with the FGM3-PRO you mentioned above (https://magnetometer-kit.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/FGM-fluxgate-magnetic-field-sensor-specifications-applications-guide.pdf) Although maybe the cheap aliexpress probes are a waste of money, as I don't see why you couldn't just use an inductor coil with a scope to measure the oscillating magnetic field, unless they are impedance matched to the oscilloscope or something.

I may be able to help make PCB's for interfacing with these sensors if someone else can help design the circuit :) I'm not good at analog electronics but I can help fabricate PCBs if someone can design something that they think would work. They have some details about a minimal circuit in the application guide datasheet I linked above.

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Jun 13, 2022·edited Sep 22, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

Hey Bob,

I found one bug with the original script where it wasn't properly calculating the radius of the smallest wire loop diameter.

I updated the original script with a comment at the top saying to use version 0103a. (I didn't feel comfortable updating the code directly as I wanted a record of the original incorrect version, I should have just put it on github ;))


* Please use version 0103a available at https://pastebin.com/h5c9Ahm9 it has some minor fixes.

* - Fix for level 0 torus radius was calculating incorrectly, also added correct examples for D-4D using the torus center line for rad_p properly.


If you could update the copy paste of the script above with the code from the 0103a link I'de appreciate it. It will ensure no one has an incorrect smallest radius set. Also I corrected the example torus' to be D-4D as I had computed the radius' in the example incorrectly so they weren't actually D-4D examples.

UPDATE: 0105f at https://pastebin.com/kbwK5EdL

* Version 0105f: Added a new triple torus winding prop with additional 3rd level grooves, also fixed second order dir on quad torus model which wasn't working properly, finally fixed skew on second level and third level windings which were not scewed in the direction of the second and third parent level windings.

The new winding prop looks like this https://postimg.cc/njjd2jrF it is supposed to be used in conjunction with a quad tor where the highest and second highest level both have tubes inside. So that it only has groves on the highest level to help you ensure the second level has the right number of third level windings in every turn. It is much easier to print and uses much less plastic too. I have printed it but not wound it yet I will update here if things don't work out well.

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Jun 12, 2022·edited Jun 12, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

My (new) article,

The Electromagnetic Phantom as The Topology of Time


It attempts to explain the survival of the phantom not as resultant from closed-loop Poynting vectors, but rather an electrodynamically-induced time-loop or time-anomaly.

Hope you enjoy. This is only a stop-gap until Dollard gets ahold of this....

EDIT: Does anyone else get garbled/corrupted substack subscription emails? Mine all seem to arrive in the inbox very garbled...

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Jun 11, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

Very exciting. Thanks. Feel like we’re very close to cracking the cosmic Bagel code.

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Mar 7Liked by Bob Greenyer

Where is best to shoot the breeze over building bagels (I prefer a git repository for code and models) and where can I find out what we think they will be good for?

I can't seem to find a resonant frequency on a baby 8 hoop level 1 tor!!

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Aug 11, 2022·edited Aug 11, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

Hey Guys,

Just a note, there appears to be a viable alternative to fluxgate magnetometers that may be pretty good. I have afew on order and will report back. A single 3 axis module costs anywhere from $20 to $40 and interfaces with either SPI, I2C, Serial, or Modbus depending on the version you get. They are all based on the RM3100 chipset which appears to operate in a similar way to a fluxgate magnetometer but using a variation and a patent design.

pni magneto inductive technology overview


chipset datasheet.


various units available on aliexpress

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003108125432.html ($40 modbus and serial)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32788633914.html ($52 i2c and SPI)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001698153630.html ($18.50 i2c and SPI)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33027469995.html ($30 serial variation based on stm32)

With a 200 count cycle it sports a range of +/- 800uT and a noise floor of 15nT (you can get this down to 10nT with 400 count super-sampling but any higher super sampling will suffer from some noise source that can be removed by further super sampling). At a cycle count of 200 you can get 430 samples a second and at a cycle count of 400 I think you could get ~200 samples a second. This isn't bad as most of these coils are going to be driven at around 30-100 hz so your going to get at least 2-4 samples per cycle at at at least 15nT and you can trade off resolution for speed if you want to. I'm planning to build a small array to test with a coil to try and get some volumetric data. (when my coil is ready).

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Research Proposals

How hard would it be to organize some tests in & around the phantom coil in operation, as well as the latent phantom itself, as follows:

-Check for temporal anomalies

--Both mechanical & electronic timing devices, please )

--Also, check for phase anomalies & disparity, electronically.

--Mechanical clock tests will need to be run in sets, turning the clock on the X,Y,Z axis, to run the test in all axial permutations, and then averaged to cancel-out any magnetic biases on the timing springs, etc...

-Check for changes in incandesence & spectrography responses.

-Check for changes in mass & gravity in & around the phantoms.

-Check for changes in blood in-vitro. ( Kali LOVES blood... )

-Check for changes in growth & consumption rates ( Mother & Devourer... )

-Check for changes in phantom itself in response to emotion & conscious attention:

--Changes in longevity of the phantom itself

--Changes in amplitude, frequency, phase, other electrical coefficients.

-Check for increased uncertainty ( She's also called chaos... )

-How hard is it to check for changes in Neutron decay?

Full article: https://baronarcanus.substack.com/p/the-electromagnetic-phantom-as-a?s=w

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Jun 11, 2022Liked by Bob Greenyer

Any idea what might happen with Hg 199 torus core?

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A better process than laser sintering (metal or nylon), may be Binder Jetting in steel/bronze. Here is the page on Shapeways describing it. https://www.shapeways.com/3d-print-material-technology/binder-jetting

This may be capable of 'wire' sizes between 1 and 2 mm. See the minimum dimension specs listed. Binder Jetting produces objects that are 60% stainless steel and 40% bronze matrix material. The initial print is 'green' and somewhat fragile, until it is heated and the steel particles fuse with 40% internal space. The part is then infused with bronze to fill the remaining space.


My understanding of DMLS is that it MAY require support struts, which would be difficult if not impossible.


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I'm not sure about the cost benefit because I can post and publish in private and public via github pages, so I don't feel this is necessary but thank you.

Can we setup a free slack channel or two, not for a forum but just collaboration?

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Jun 13, 2022·edited Jun 13, 2022

Hi Bob, I just built two 4-tors and have a question, should the ferrite cores in each level be connected, the main ring with the smaller core, with the smaller core, or each left separate to their respective level?

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I was wondering this morning: I expect Nature's EVO's are DC current, so why are we bothering with AC on these devices?

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