Great video bob ! Thank you for great information I was thinking of free radical scansngers in biology that came to my mind but you shed more light on this whole realm of atoms and elements thank youn
Awesome. I've been still thinking and working an experiment since I mentioned the Trompe to you. One that would combine it with electrolysis, and windchime engineering. This is awesome, the way it's being used in Penn.USA is to clean up acid mine water by using the compressed air to oxidize the iron in the runoff. Then of course what goes up p2, I bet this ties into the usage of weirs, but I'm not supposed to be reading ahead.
That finally explains why my Keshe replication didn't work, and why he kept insisting that boiling water be added to acid. The exact opposite of everything that should be done. I wouldn't and can't recommend it either, and that's only 100C.
One more note, as I’m learning about the relationship between frequency and diameter. If you reduce the diameter you increase the frequency, as frequency increases so too does the energy level.
And of course a Joe Cell reference can’t be forgotten in this comparison.
Hi Bob! I just whatched the videos and I still need to read the Ishiwaka patent, but your thoughts are very interesting and probably relevant for the LEC and Holmid experiments. Actually in my replication I din't used Na salts, just plain HCl and tap water. Tap water of course contains some amount of Na (and even K), so it is quite possible that the codeposited layer contains some form of alkaline-iron compound. What I can say is that the black compound I obtained is very magnetic, and this surprised me a lot. Alan Smith suggested it could be magnetite, also because it rusts very fast. However it could easily be someting more complex, since it is very difficult to explain the formation of this compound at the very low voltage and current I used (about 0.5 V, 10-20 mA). In one of the next experiment I could try to add some Na salt and verify how this affects the LEC behaviour. The electron scavenging process may also explain some of the LEC features, however the most enigmatic in my opinion remains the apparent ionization of the gas. It seems to be a real ionization, not just the generation of one kind of charged particles (e.g. H+ or e-), because it allows current to flow in a very simmetric manner. As Jean-Paul said, up to now the LEC has been quite a mistery... :-)
Thanks and you should read it, but my focus is on the properties of Alpha-Fe2O3 in relation to FeO2 (as observed apparently in VEGA Valley and possibly ULTR) with respect to H2O / Hydrogen isotopes gas splitting. I was on that path and then Triton Jäger sent the Japanese 2014 patent by Ishikawa. This added another dimension.
As I have said to Alan Smith privately and the Curbina here and CAN on MFMP youtube (check those comments, so I don't repeat myself) - my primary focus is on the "electron scavenger" properties of Fe3+ (and Ag+ and Al+3 and Li+) because FeO2 is in the Fe3+ state - but is not an ion in the case of the studies. Secondarily, there is the potential magnetic nature of FeO2 as Fe2O3 has magnetic nature also.
The papers discussed, highlighted Ag+ and J-PB had that in his Pd rod and in his foil. Secondly the patent also discussed that Fe2O3 was also capable of acting in the same way as Pd - which the LEC also uses. All of the above is the main focus of the presentation and makes not reference to Alkaline salts.
Where I thought it worth mentioning Alkaline salts was that Alan Smith had suggested it for plating and K is part of Holmlids work - though, as I have said in the past the K is in my view there to lower work function and to provide free electrons.
It all came about because something observed on VEGA Valley looked like it was stealing electrons from the beam. This thing was found out in later microscope sessions to be FeO2. That started the "let's see what that does" and it turns out that it has a Fe3+ state and that is known as an "electron scavenger" - only, in this case, it is a solid, not an ion.
The NaOH in the Ishikawa patent is basically there to grab water molecules and bring them to the Fe2O3 for dissociation and further nucleus and free electron separation.
The patent also talks about neutron and gamma emissions and transmutation. The gamma would do ionisation. Obviously Homlid claims muons which decay into electrons and these can do ionisation, Moreover, he cites LASER stimulation (as detailed in the 2004 paper I discussed) or UV light exposure - discussed in the 2000 paper discussed - he claims these can even lead to proton decay. Of course, I believe it is working in the same way as I described recently, and in this case, the magnetic nature of the substrate is important if Holmid is able to achieve that phase.
Thank you for clarifications. The primary focus of your video is clear, however I think many people (including me) has been fascinated (or distracted) by details of the Ishikawa patent, that explicitly relates alkali-metal compounds to LENR-like phenomena, because this may have somewhat a historical (retrospective) relevance. I however agree that this is something different from the properties of Fe3+ alone.
That is why I mentioned it - I had already discussed many times the work function and electron donor function of alkaline metals, and I had mentioned the 40K decay inverse beta stimulation, but I had not considered it as a means to capture water as a source of hydrogen and as a dopant to improve the oxidation state of a transition metal, leading to very different properties including magnetism and hydrogen nuclei / electron separation and loading similar to Pd.
The papers were interesting in a historical perspective because it identified Li+ and Al+3 as electron scavengers (Rossi), and also specifically for LEC, Ag+ given J-PBs Pd based replications both involved Ag.
Posted your presentation in the LEC replicators workshop thread at LENR-forum. I think the proposal is deeply interesting as it also links this to Holmlid’s work.
Alan Goldwater had Na in his working replications attempt and likely Fe3+. Biberian likely had Ag+ in both his Ag/Pd and his Pd on Ag. He also likely had Fe3+
The NaOH is just a means of getting the H2O there, but H2/D2 will be a source of hydrogen also.
The important thing in my view is something that can catalytically break bonds and leave in the metal
- Protons / Deuterons
- Free Electrons
The Free electrons I suggest may lead to the source of the current
Things that can do this, and why I discussed the other work at the beginning, are
Pd
Ag+
Alpha-Fe2O3
Higher order transition metal oxides and in particular higher oxidation states of iron and further in particular Fe3+, which the papers discuss as ions, but in the case of FeO2 - it is a solid in the Fe3+ oxidation state.
I came at this from trying to work out what I was seeing with the SEM of the then round looking object on VEGA. It looked like it was 'sucking the light (electrons from the SEM gun) out of the room'. When I found out it was FeO2 and that had the 3+ oxidation state, I intuitively thought it could catalyse water splitting and said so. I then started looking into the Fe3+ oxidation state of iron properties, only to find it being the most effective catalyst for water splitting in the ion form and was being described as an 'electron scavenger' which is kind of what I was seeing in the SEM images.
Around this same time, and following the FeO2 presentations, Triton Jäger sent me a link to the ISHIKAWA YASUO Japanese patent as he had been trying to search for any evidence of anyone achieving FeO2 before 2016. When I read that patent, it started to make sense, moreover it seamed as if it could help explain the Lattice Energy Convertor and Holmlids work.
After my comments/questions to J-PB on the Russian meeting on Wednesday, J-PB reached out to me for links and follow up questions. I replied and also added this.
"By the way, this is the same thing going on in Holmlids (and all) de-hydrogenation catalysts."
In the case of normal PdD electrolytic cells, one is having to FORCE the H in electrically, in this case, the material itself is pulling it in.
Thanks for this quick summary, it completed my understanding of how you got to put this hypothesis together. Can I quote this comment at LENR-forum? This has called some attention and I think this comment is very important for understanding how you see the relationship of these apparently dissimilar things.
To further clarify, in the patent and in the papers, H2O is one source of Hydrogen another is H2 / D2. The latter are more relevant in Holmlid/LEC.
The key aspect is things that want to grab electrons and/or hydrogen nuclei - in the case of Pd and alpha-Fe2O3 that is the material itself, and I get a sense that FeO2 will to.
The NaOH (or KOH) particles in the patent was a means to carry water to the Alpha-Fe2O3 - in the case of Holmlid and LEC gas is fed through or held against it. In both cases and in the 2014 patent, outputs indicating nuclear interactions are occurring (Holmlid goes as far as proton decay, LEC ionising radiation and the 2014 patent refers to neutrons and gammas).
I only mentioned NaOH at two points, one early as a trailer and then at the end because of the specific note in the patent and because Smith, Goldwater and others had used sodium citrate in their electrolyte.
The main part of the presentation was focused on Ag+, Fe3+.
That the 2014 patent mentioned Alpha-Fe2O3 having similar ability to split hydrogen into nuclei and free electrons as Pd - was a bonus considering the LEC history.
As I said in the livestream - this is very raw thinking's I just felt there was enough there to raise it as J-PB had said no one knew what was going on and since our own Alan Goldwater was investing time and resources, it might be useful to see if it had anything to do with the role of well studied de-hydrogenation catalysts, high oxidation state Fe, alkaline metal enablers (of course, we know these lower the work function and help with free electrons) etc.
When you think about it, Pd, being the element that can absorb the highest amount of hydrogen of any element - it is effectively a de-hydrogenation material!
If my thoughts turn out to have no merit, then this will be resolved quickly, however, there is a huge amount of work done on photocatalytic dissociation of water from at least 1971 - and a lot of study on de-hydrogenation catalysis. I believe that this may have guided Holmlid's research direction which obviously requires the splitting of D2.
I only mentioned in passing Holmlid's work in the presentation - and that it was a DEHYDROGENATION CATALYST he was using and with K-salt he was raising to above the temperature required in this patent to create the nano-particulates needed.
Watched just the last 45 minutes (had already seen Biberian’s presentation months ago). Really interesting discussion, a lot to explore down this lane!!!
Honestly, I've been really busy lately and haven't had time to watch the whole video so I'm just going to throw this out there before the moment passes: Baghdad Battery
Hi Bob, As promised some reference points to consider, as requested:
George Webb (Twitter/YT but massively censored- Bioweapons/graphene/jab etc.)
John E. Hoover (YT/Patreon- CDC maps. stats and death rates data in depth)
Lena Pu (Web: Lena's Fabulous Frequencies (5G issues, legal aid with jab mandates)
Professor Hamamoto (YT NWO theory, Cultural Forensics, Bio-politics, Collegiate Gothic)
Rupert Sheldrake (YT all things Bob Greenyer...hehe) and...
Tom Campbell (YT physicist mounting a new Dbl. Slit experiment and master of Out of Body/Mind states and Akashic data streams. Book: My Big T. O. E. Free on google.)
I, too sincerely wish to help. Peace my dear friend.
Great video bob ! Thank you for great information I was thinking of free radical scansngers in biology that came to my mind but you shed more light on this whole realm of atoms and elements thank youn
laws of attraction.
Awesome. I've been still thinking and working an experiment since I mentioned the Trompe to you. One that would combine it with electrolysis, and windchime engineering. This is awesome, the way it's being used in Penn.USA is to clean up acid mine water by using the compressed air to oxidize the iron in the runoff. Then of course what goes up p2, I bet this ties into the usage of weirs, but I'm not supposed to be reading ahead.
That finally explains why my Keshe replication didn't work, and why he kept insisting that boiling water be added to acid. The exact opposite of everything that should be done. I wouldn't and can't recommend it either, and that's only 100C.
You should share links here! Very interested to see what you have and also - 'failures' often teach us something.
The train of thought was how to move copious amounts of liquid in the clean up efforts.
A novel method for lifting water, if you have a source of running water a Trompe could be used.
It dates back to the 16th century using falling water to compress air for mining, fresh air and compressed air for pneumatic tools.
In recent years Bruce Levitt reminded the mining community in Pennsylvania USA as a way to treat acid mine water run off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnH-2p21lUs&ab_channel=TheRealVerbz2
Without a source of running water, to lift water an air pump can be used called an airlift pump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airlift_pump
My next thought was how to add electrolysis to this liquid mover?
Linear segments seemed natural, but a static test showed it needed more current than I had available.
Concentric tubes could have the added effects of acoustic vibrations, like hanging a windchime in the water column.
http://leehite.org/Chimes.htm Everything you ever wanted to know about resonance of a tube, even how the material changes it.
Now I wonder if is better to use the same note over and over, or the same length tube having the frequency increase.
I'm very excited about these iron oxides, Keshi introduced a nano layer back in 2012 based on oxides on copper.
https://www.thekeshifoundation.org/
Plans are freely given. It scared me, because working with acids you normally add acids slowly into water as they heat up.
You don't want that splashing on you. In the Keshi preparations you added hot water to acid, that's a no no.
Additionally, I've added where nano zinc oxide crystals can be used to split water elsewhere on Remote View
One more note, as I’m learning about the relationship between frequency and diameter. If you reduce the diameter you increase the frequency, as frequency increases so too does the energy level.
And of course a Joe Cell reference can’t be forgotten in this comparison.
Right, so does the number of resonant nodes.
Hi Bob! I just whatched the videos and I still need to read the Ishiwaka patent, but your thoughts are very interesting and probably relevant for the LEC and Holmid experiments. Actually in my replication I din't used Na salts, just plain HCl and tap water. Tap water of course contains some amount of Na (and even K), so it is quite possible that the codeposited layer contains some form of alkaline-iron compound. What I can say is that the black compound I obtained is very magnetic, and this surprised me a lot. Alan Smith suggested it could be magnetite, also because it rusts very fast. However it could easily be someting more complex, since it is very difficult to explain the formation of this compound at the very low voltage and current I used (about 0.5 V, 10-20 mA). In one of the next experiment I could try to add some Na salt and verify how this affects the LEC behaviour. The electron scavenging process may also explain some of the LEC features, however the most enigmatic in my opinion remains the apparent ionization of the gas. It seems to be a real ionization, not just the generation of one kind of charged particles (e.g. H+ or e-), because it allows current to flow in a very simmetric manner. As Jean-Paul said, up to now the LEC has been quite a mistery... :-)
Thanks and you should read it, but my focus is on the properties of Alpha-Fe2O3 in relation to FeO2 (as observed apparently in VEGA Valley and possibly ULTR) with respect to H2O / Hydrogen isotopes gas splitting. I was on that path and then Triton Jäger sent the Japanese 2014 patent by Ishikawa. This added another dimension.
As I have said to Alan Smith privately and the Curbina here and CAN on MFMP youtube (check those comments, so I don't repeat myself) - my primary focus is on the "electron scavenger" properties of Fe3+ (and Ag+ and Al+3 and Li+) because FeO2 is in the Fe3+ state - but is not an ion in the case of the studies. Secondarily, there is the potential magnetic nature of FeO2 as Fe2O3 has magnetic nature also.
The papers discussed, highlighted Ag+ and J-PB had that in his Pd rod and in his foil. Secondly the patent also discussed that Fe2O3 was also capable of acting in the same way as Pd - which the LEC also uses. All of the above is the main focus of the presentation and makes not reference to Alkaline salts.
Where I thought it worth mentioning Alkaline salts was that Alan Smith had suggested it for plating and K is part of Holmlids work - though, as I have said in the past the K is in my view there to lower work function and to provide free electrons.
It all came about because something observed on VEGA Valley looked like it was stealing electrons from the beam. This thing was found out in later microscope sessions to be FeO2. That started the "let's see what that does" and it turns out that it has a Fe3+ state and that is known as an "electron scavenger" - only, in this case, it is a solid, not an ion.
The NaOH in the Ishikawa patent is basically there to grab water molecules and bring them to the Fe2O3 for dissociation and further nucleus and free electron separation.
The patent also talks about neutron and gamma emissions and transmutation. The gamma would do ionisation. Obviously Homlid claims muons which decay into electrons and these can do ionisation, Moreover, he cites LASER stimulation (as detailed in the 2004 paper I discussed) or UV light exposure - discussed in the 2000 paper discussed - he claims these can even lead to proton decay. Of course, I believe it is working in the same way as I described recently, and in this case, the magnetic nature of the substrate is important if Holmid is able to achieve that phase.
Thank you for clarifications. The primary focus of your video is clear, however I think many people (including me) has been fascinated (or distracted) by details of the Ishikawa patent, that explicitly relates alkali-metal compounds to LENR-like phenomena, because this may have somewhat a historical (retrospective) relevance. I however agree that this is something different from the properties of Fe3+ alone.
That is why I mentioned it - I had already discussed many times the work function and electron donor function of alkaline metals, and I had mentioned the 40K decay inverse beta stimulation, but I had not considered it as a means to capture water as a source of hydrogen and as a dopant to improve the oxidation state of a transition metal, leading to very different properties including magnetism and hydrogen nuclei / electron separation and loading similar to Pd.
The papers were interesting in a historical perspective because it identified Li+ and Al+3 as electron scavengers (Rossi), and also specifically for LEC, Ag+ given J-PBs Pd based replications both involved Ag.
Forgot To paste the link to the post on the thread: https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6508-frank-gordon-s-lattice-energy-converter-lec-replicators-workshop/?pageNo=40#post166819
Posted your presentation in the LEC replicators workshop thread at LENR-forum. I think the proposal is deeply interesting as it also links this to Holmlid’s work.
Alan Goldwater had Na in his working replications attempt and likely Fe3+. Biberian likely had Ag+ in both his Ag/Pd and his Pd on Ag. He also likely had Fe3+
The NaOH is just a means of getting the H2O there, but H2/D2 will be a source of hydrogen also.
The important thing in my view is something that can catalytically break bonds and leave in the metal
- Protons / Deuterons
- Free Electrons
The Free electrons I suggest may lead to the source of the current
Things that can do this, and why I discussed the other work at the beginning, are
Pd
Ag+
Alpha-Fe2O3
Higher order transition metal oxides and in particular higher oxidation states of iron and further in particular Fe3+, which the papers discuss as ions, but in the case of FeO2 - it is a solid in the Fe3+ oxidation state.
I came at this from trying to work out what I was seeing with the SEM of the then round looking object on VEGA. It looked like it was 'sucking the light (electrons from the SEM gun) out of the room'. When I found out it was FeO2 and that had the 3+ oxidation state, I intuitively thought it could catalyse water splitting and said so. I then started looking into the Fe3+ oxidation state of iron properties, only to find it being the most effective catalyst for water splitting in the ion form and was being described as an 'electron scavenger' which is kind of what I was seeing in the SEM images.
Around this same time, and following the FeO2 presentations, Triton Jäger sent me a link to the ISHIKAWA YASUO Japanese patent as he had been trying to search for any evidence of anyone achieving FeO2 before 2016. When I read that patent, it started to make sense, moreover it seamed as if it could help explain the Lattice Energy Convertor and Holmlids work.
After my comments/questions to J-PB on the Russian meeting on Wednesday, J-PB reached out to me for links and follow up questions. I replied and also added this.
"By the way, this is the same thing going on in Holmlids (and all) de-hydrogenation catalysts."
In the case of normal PdD electrolytic cells, one is having to FORCE the H in electrically, in this case, the material itself is pulling it in.
Thanks for this quick summary, it completed my understanding of how you got to put this hypothesis together. Can I quote this comment at LENR-forum? This has called some attention and I think this comment is very important for understanding how you see the relationship of these apparently dissimilar things.
To further clarify, in the patent and in the papers, H2O is one source of Hydrogen another is H2 / D2. The latter are more relevant in Holmlid/LEC.
The key aspect is things that want to grab electrons and/or hydrogen nuclei - in the case of Pd and alpha-Fe2O3 that is the material itself, and I get a sense that FeO2 will to.
The NaOH (or KOH) particles in the patent was a means to carry water to the Alpha-Fe2O3 - in the case of Holmlid and LEC gas is fed through or held against it. In both cases and in the 2014 patent, outputs indicating nuclear interactions are occurring (Holmlid goes as far as proton decay, LEC ionising radiation and the 2014 patent refers to neutrons and gammas).
I only mentioned NaOH at two points, one early as a trailer and then at the end because of the specific note in the patent and because Smith, Goldwater and others had used sodium citrate in their electrolyte.
The main part of the presentation was focused on Ag+, Fe3+.
That the 2014 patent mentioned Alpha-Fe2O3 having similar ability to split hydrogen into nuclei and free electrons as Pd - was a bonus considering the LEC history.
Certainly you can quote it.
As I said in the livestream - this is very raw thinking's I just felt there was enough there to raise it as J-PB had said no one knew what was going on and since our own Alan Goldwater was investing time and resources, it might be useful to see if it had anything to do with the role of well studied de-hydrogenation catalysts, high oxidation state Fe, alkaline metal enablers (of course, we know these lower the work function and help with free electrons) etc.
When you think about it, Pd, being the element that can absorb the highest amount of hydrogen of any element - it is effectively a de-hydrogenation material!
If my thoughts turn out to have no merit, then this will be resolved quickly, however, there is a huge amount of work done on photocatalytic dissociation of water from at least 1971 - and a lot of study on de-hydrogenation catalysis. I believe that this may have guided Holmlid's research direction which obviously requires the splitting of D2.
I only mentioned in passing Holmlid's work in the presentation - and that it was a DEHYDROGENATION CATALYST he was using and with K-salt he was raising to above the temperature required in this patent to create the nano-particulates needed.
Watched just the last 45 minutes (had already seen Biberian’s presentation months ago). Really interesting discussion, a lot to explore down this lane!!!
Just like buses these articles appear in my news feed and are talking about the electron quadrupling effect.
https://scitechdaily.com/physics-experiment-reveals-formation-of-a-new-state-of-matter-breaks-time-reversal-symmetry/amp/
https://www.sciencealert.com/experiments-have-revealed-a-brand-new-state-of-matter-electron-quadruplets/amp
For the layman what is Time Reversal Symmetry?
like i said buses there was also an article on Skyrmions in my feed.
https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-discover-new-physical-phenomenon-complex-braided-structures-made-of-skyrmions/amp/
Honestly, I've been really busy lately and haven't had time to watch the whole video so I'm just going to throw this out there before the moment passes: Baghdad Battery
Hi Bob, As promised some reference points to consider, as requested:
George Webb (Twitter/YT but massively censored- Bioweapons/graphene/jab etc.)
John E. Hoover (YT/Patreon- CDC maps. stats and death rates data in depth)
Lena Pu (Web: Lena's Fabulous Frequencies (5G issues, legal aid with jab mandates)
Professor Hamamoto (YT NWO theory, Cultural Forensics, Bio-politics, Collegiate Gothic)
Rupert Sheldrake (YT all things Bob Greenyer...hehe) and...
Tom Campbell (YT physicist mounting a new Dbl. Slit experiment and master of Out of Body/Mind states and Akashic data streams. Book: My Big T. O. E. Free on google.)
I, too sincerely wish to help. Peace my dear friend.