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Wow, that interview was a tour de force Bob! I felt exhausted after just having watched it. Deep down, I know that what moves you to do all of your excellent work at this critical juncture in the life of our planet, is exactly what compels me. I’m no scientist. If I’ve applied any formal training to the task I know I must complete - of trying to describe something of the lost science of Wiracocha (aka Viracocha) - it’s been in philosophy. I know I need to be diligent in my work. I’ve spent over ten years conducting field research in the Andes: at archaeological sites, in university libraries and in gathering native peoples’ own oral histories of their ancestors’ remote past. You won’t be surprised to learn that we, in the West of the twenty-first century, are being lied to. Yet that lie is deliberate – even calculated – so ultimately it’s about more than Flint Dibble making his puerile, ad hominem attacks on Graham. The deeper lie, the real corruption, lies within the collective mind of the West, its egregor.

Ever since the so-called ‘Enlightenment’, Western intellectual endeavour has been guided to visualise the Cosmos as a machine. This is very dangerous, because cultural intellectual endeavours (aka collective thoughts) actually play an active role in shaping the world we currently inhabit. Take the phrase ‘quantum mechanics’, which everyone just assumes to be a scientific truth, really makes a huge assumption about the foundations of all physicality through its choice of words. I’m a big fan of David Bohm’s interpretation of quantum theory. He never really wanted to use the word mechanics for sound scientific reasons; but such was the power of the egregor generated by most quantum physicists in the last century, he was thwarted even from labelling his own work accurately.

Of course, the phrase ‘quantum mechanics’ would not have been possible without the dubious, yet highly significant, contribution to Western collective thought made by Rene Descartes. It was he who managed to imprison the Western mind within its collective skull, allowing all the proper science to be done ‘out there’ in the ‘real world.’ From thenceforth, reality increasingly became a machine to be tinkered with by the servants of technocrats; and consciousness itself would fade into indistinct epiphenomena, like those distorted fleeting shadows on the wall of Plato’s cave. Descartes’ mind-body dualism is not the duality of which you speak. In the traditional Andean cosmology that survives to this day, it is known as paridad. Its Spanish dictionary definition of ‘equality’ serves to conceal a profound truth concerning the dynamic Cosmos; and how the physical takes form from the metaphysical, just as our term plasma comes from the Greek word for a matrix, or mold.

I could go on, but I wish you well Bob and take care out there. If you are in touch with Andrew Johnson, please wish him well from me also. Many years have passed since he spoke at a conference I organised in Liverpool. My experiences at that event led me to leave the UK and to go to South America. Only in the last few months have I come to realise the full import of the events of those two days, in terms of information, but mostly disinformation. Long may Andrew continue to speak truth to power.

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Bob Greenyer's avatar

Thank you for your comments.

Most people are living a lie, we need to take our destiny back and understand the real power we possess.

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>I’ve spent over ten years conducting field research in the Andes: at archaeological sites, in university libraries and in gathering native peoples’ own oral histories of their ancestors’ remote past.

I'm Hopi and Fire Clan. Have you heard the oral histories we tell?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfFJFgnmJdE&t=1s

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David Truman's avatar

Yes, I've read some books and I know that you and your ancestors are custodians of great wisdom. I live in England, but my ancestry is Irish and Welsh. In less than a month I will travel to Mexico, where I aim to learn more about the Maya and Zapotec peoples. I look forward to watching the video you sent me this evening. Thank you.

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I believe that this is all real. These are the symbols I see when I close my eyes and when I dream. This is the science that will lead to the kind of black oil technology in the X-Files and the Omnitrix from Ben 10.

As I watch the YT premiere, I am hearing the ringing in my head when I hear people telling the truth compared to the ring on the other side when they say something false.

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David Truman's avatar

Well, yes I agree with you wholeheartedly. What you see in your mind is just as real as what is out there in the external space of an objective world. My point is, though, that Western culture has conditioned us into believing otherwise and our collective beliefs play a huge part in shaping the social, political, economic - even the physical - world in which we find ourselves. Ultimately, mind forms all matter, but collective Minds, are particularly effective at doing so. The great irony for the modern West is that it denies the reality of mind, meaning that it cannot recognise its dire predicament by dint of its very own beliefs about the nature of what is real.

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Thank-you

It truly means a lot to me to have found communities like this and the /x/ board so that I don't feel isolated; the internet is amazing.

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David Truman's avatar

I share your sentiment my friend. While I too think that the internet is powerful tool, its potency can be employed also for disinformation and surveillance. Always use the powers of discernment you undoubtedly possess, from what you have told me..

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