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GEET - Henk Jurrien's reactor 17 Mar 2023 - Running under load
Henk's comments:
[Here is] "the new setup. It runs, also under a little load. I will start measuring temperatures and see how heavy the load can be. When I increase the load with the variac I have to re-tune the system. I use an electrical heater as load."
"The bubbler works fine it seems, but, it cools down and that might inhibit the motor running on full power. I maybe can load it with 500 Watt's, should be 2kW. The intake tube I changed for a SS-flex pipe, works fine as well. The GEET broke off the motor support, now I fixed it to a pole on the ground, now minimal vibrations because of the flex pipes."
This is the point that I made to Bob. You can run the engine under a little load. Also, I suggested to Bob that you use an iron rod with a coil surrounding it as the initiator, so the iron rod's magnetic field does not deplete, and the iron rod needs to be replaced with a new magnetized iron rod. You could also control the magnetic field to see how this affects efficiency. I also found out that a person can make a fusion ICE engine by putting 8-10 spark plug electrodes into the cylinder and sparking them at about 30,000 - 40,000 volts. Do you wish to try this? I run my methane appliances in this manner and save 35% on my natural gas bill as some of the combustion of the gas is chemical and some is fusion. The reaction is basically methane to oxygen fusion and then the oxygen burns chemically with more methane to complete the reaction and I then save money and energy.
I am not ready to do special experiments with the rod. Eventually we will have to. But I rely for now on the suggestions of David Pantone and that is that his father did all kinds of experiments and the best form was the bullet shape with a 1mm gap, so that is what I will test for now.
Thanks Bob for your fast answer. Yes I am seeing a working GEET soon. I will ask if I can make short video's what I will share. I already had some conversations and we are probably going to work on a motor control unit. We have idea's but first we need to meet and talk about the details. So I hope your GEET is going to work soon also and see him online with your experiences.
In case Henk misses this - he is meeting other people that have a number of GEETs and paused given that they saw strange things going on some time back. With out new understanding there could be good mutual learning to be had.
Metallic hydrogen is the room temperature superconductor and emitting enough anti-gravity waves can make gaseous or liquid hydrogen metallic. The reason the scientists are researching hydrogen containing superconductors such as what they just announced today. Look it up.
A curved surface with N2 and O2 running over it produces more anti-gravity waves such as like an airplane wing, thrown ball, a UAP surface, a toy frisbee, and a cross section of a car. It is not the Bernoulli effect but the anti-gravity effect. They just work out the same with the equations.
Could you upload a video of your unit? It sounds a bit like the Walter Jenkins approach of exploding dry fog in the combustion chamber using a plasma spark plug times correctly. The timing was what stumped me. Aarum murasaki vaguely describes it.
You ask a few questions. I did not try this with more powerful spark plugs, good idea to investigate! . Bob was talking about the Papp engine. Of course wikipedia makes a joke about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Papp. I don't know the details, bit it had to do with a special sparkplug AND radioactive material. But be aware, you create EVO's and when the accumulate the engine can explode, as Papp's engine did.....
The device worked on a mixture of noble gases and four spark plugs to heat the gases up to move the piston down and then the gases cooled down and the piston retracted.
Yes, it could explode as the electrons from the four spark plugs create antigravity waves, so the gases became blue shifted by being ionized. The atom has an x-ray cell surrounding it, then electrons, and then the protons and the neutrons. The gases being radioactive also helped to heat up the gas. The antigravity waves change the size of the x-ray cells so that the atom becomes ionized. The x-ray cell shrinks. The atom is in a different reference frame, or a different rate of time passage, so it gives off IR so it can return to its normal state which heats up the atoms along with the radioactivity. The radioactivity red shifts the atoms due to fission or their gravity wave emission due to their masses, so the there is some heat given off by this method to heat up the noble gases. The atom gains energy from being blue shifted and then redshifted so it loses this gained energy to return to normal size. A person has to get the correct current and voltage to accomplish this effect in the engine. The anti-gravity waves can change the properties of the engine's material composition by making the atoms of the materials of the engine turn into liquid and weakens the bonds between the atoms so the pressure of the expansion of the gases makes the cylinder explode. It is like cooling a metal down with liquid nitrogen and the metal becomes brittle and can be shattered. EVO's are electrons that give off additional anti-gravity waves. The more the engine has the more brittle the engines material leading to a failure of the engine's components.
I'm going to try to get a reactor working on gasoline then try methane with a new rod at the recommended length. Ideally I think the methane production biodigester to closed loop pantone reactor to some sort of battery bank is worth a shot.
I have solar panels and a power saver to accomplish this feat of saved electricity and methane gas. The solar panels and power saver make my home electrical circuit produce anti-gravity waves and I also get healthier as the anti-gravity waves turn back time and fix my DNA related diseases. The anti-gravity waves make my home electrical circuit superconducting and allow my solar panels to produce electricity at night with solar neutrinos from the sun.
The earths core is reversing due to the produced anti-gravity waves of the installed world solar panels and also making the cancer go down by 30% since the solar panels were installed. This is no joke and the world's governments and scientists know this but it national security and top secret as the people knowing would crash the economy so be careful with the information. The Helion Fusion device will make the production of anti-gravity waves much larger and the earths orbit and revolving will reverse as the time reverses. There are other things that will also happen due to this.
My fusion engine is just using a basic ICE and putting 8-12 spark plug electrodes into the cylinder sparking at between 30,000 and 40,000 volts. The current cars spark at 10,000 volts which is only good for chemical reactions. I learned this from chatting with Avalanche energy. The 30,000 to 40.000 volts electron arcs will initiate fusion as electrons emit anti-gravity waves and turn back time to stop the positive nuclei from being repulsed and therefore attracted to one another and cause fusion to initiate and release the energy.
I did some temp readings. the motor temp is between 200 and 300dgrC The top of the GEET is too hot for the IR reader to measure, the bottom of the geet is 150-200 degr and the muffler is only 40 dgr, very low is my opinion. I have to do this measuring process a few times to come to better understanding where the heat is going. The intake pipe get's hot also, what is to be expected of course
I did this before already. But I wanted to make a GEET system as close as possible to the designs I see om internet. My problem was that the looking glass was dirty in no-time. I will do is again what this basic system works.
I used a 1" tee with two reducers attached for the same effect. You have to get the guy at your local hydrolics shop to mount the tee with the adaptor in it to face off and bore out the adaptor so the 1/2" seamless tube can fit through into the 1/2" tee.
Cast iron fittings only has same outputs I believe. Try to go for 1” with reducer best way to go I recon. I got allot of my parts at Toolstation. That’s in UK. 😉👍🏼
What I found a website with a special device to add to a diesel engine. Antoine Gillier as the inventor. It is very simple, it adds water vapor to the intake, to mix with the air. In France it seems to be used a lot and it saves op to 75% on the fuel, that is a lot I think. Interesting enough to explore it for practical use. I can not copy a picture into this text field. When this really works I needs to be explained. http://www.econokit-india.com/econokit-technology/econokit-history
Henk, would you consider a vacuum gauge to see if the level of vacuum achieved has a marked effect on the reactors behaviour. I had read that it is desired to be from 8 to 10 inches of mercury pulled on the line from the bubbler to the intake. Attached is what I was going to buy to maintain this, I'm not certain your plastic bubbler will allow it to reach this low pressure. I stand corrected but a gauge might not go a miss. It seems I cannot attach images in this thread yet...
I don not yet consider a vacuum gauge. I have the valve on the intake, while the plastic container can not stand the vacuum. That is the reason metal tanks, pots or sturdy cylinders are used as bubblers. Somewhere I read that this method of a valve in the intake is fine also. But I realize that under vacuum the evaporation of liquids goes much better. The liquid cools down also, because of the evaporation. So I see a challenge in the bubbler. Heating the bubbler with the exhaust heat also seems to be the logical way to go.
I have an extra gas container for you to use as vacuum bubbler if you want Henk, its 380mm tall and 120mm wide. Was used for nitrous Oxide. I can deliver to you if you want. It’ a thick walled gas container. I havent put holes in this one. I got 3, so I can donate one if you like. 😉👍🏼
Hey mate let’s try and organise to get together in Qld, if you’re getting some results I can bring a Th doped scintillator and He3 neutron (evo) detector. Exafuse@gmail.com
What parts have to be magnetic and why? I get that it's a good idea to ground the static change generated by the reactor but why do we think the rest of the components should me ferrous?
The rod length is very short, Also noticed that it was omitted from the book of GEET is the shorter rods, the Propane and Water rods seem similar length by casual observations ~32mm.
Anyone know of any successful attempts along this track?
Here are the only videos that I have. They show the zero mass of the polyethylene plastic. The 12-volt battery packs charge up the surface of the plastic and then the electrons force the C and H atoms electrons into the atoms protons which yields zero charge, zero mass, and zero separation distance. My equation explains this. F=mq/r^2 that I derived from Newtons and the Coulomb equations. The gravity force is then zero. The equation E=mq/r shows the that the device then produces anti-gravity waves that I label on my spectrum in the space wave part. There are some other parameters to use for the equations such as geometric, voltage and current and the number of atoms on the surface or for the entire mass of the device to calculate the anti-gravity wave energy that it produced. If I attempt to throw the device, it is like throwing a baseball with no inertia and feels really strange. I also attach my paper on how I derived my equation. I also attach my diagrams of my devices and how I came to figure this all out by studying the sun and earth interiors. I also attach my star device that is easy to build and very inexpensive. I also attach my time machine with the star device powering it. I also attach my spectrum that describes the big bang.
I cannot finish my experiment because I need three more parts that are delayed until late April or early May. The UAP craft having zero mass by being produced out of plastic can achieve high accelerations and velocities without the occupants feeling the acceleration due to the produced anti-gravity waves putting the craft in a different space-time reference frame as per Einstein. Normal velocity and acceleration equations describe this behavior. a=v/t=x/t^2. Each gravity wave has its own time passage, so we see the UAP travel at a high velocity when it is really traveling at a low velocity. If the time passage inside the UAP reference frame is very large, then the acceleration and velocities are very small and vice versa for outside of the reference frame.
I hope I have explained this to you in an easy and correct manner.
Realtime chat where you can upload images is here:
https://substack.com/chat/184573/post/755a50ea-671d-42b8-a9b0-5fa83907f451
Any chance of an off-topic thread in chat? Thx
Do you want me to set up an off-topic chat?
Yes please
Henk,
This is the point that I made to Bob. You can run the engine under a little load. Also, I suggested to Bob that you use an iron rod with a coil surrounding it as the initiator, so the iron rod's magnetic field does not deplete, and the iron rod needs to be replaced with a new magnetized iron rod. You could also control the magnetic field to see how this affects efficiency. I also found out that a person can make a fusion ICE engine by putting 8-10 spark plug electrodes into the cylinder and sparking them at about 30,000 - 40,000 volts. Do you wish to try this? I run my methane appliances in this manner and save 35% on my natural gas bill as some of the combustion of the gas is chemical and some is fusion. The reaction is basically methane to oxygen fusion and then the oxygen burns chemically with more methane to complete the reaction and I then save money and energy.
Rick
I am not ready to do special experiments with the rod. Eventually we will have to. But I rely for now on the suggestions of David Pantone and that is that his father did all kinds of experiments and the best form was the bullet shape with a 1mm gap, so that is what I will test for now.
How's your geet going. I'm back home for two weeks soon and should be able to get the final pieces together.
Thanks Bob for your fast answer. Yes I am seeing a working GEET soon. I will ask if I can make short video's what I will share. I already had some conversations and we are probably going to work on a motor control unit. We have idea's but first we need to meet and talk about the details. So I hope your GEET is going to work soon also and see him online with your experiences.
Thanks Henk for adding clarification.
In case Henk misses this - he is meeting other people that have a number of GEETs and paused given that they saw strange things going on some time back. With out new understanding there could be good mutual learning to be had.
Henk,
Metallic hydrogen is the room temperature superconductor and emitting enough anti-gravity waves can make gaseous or liquid hydrogen metallic. The reason the scientists are researching hydrogen containing superconductors such as what they just announced today. Look it up.
Rick
Henk,
Electrons emit anti-gravity waves or the electrons EM field.
Rick
Henk,
The anti-gravity waves can also reverse the chemical reaction of chemically burnt fuel so the fuel can be reused.
Rick
Henk,
The north pole of a magnet emits anti-gravity waves.
Rick
Henk,
A curved surface with N2 and O2 running over it produces more anti-gravity waves such as like an airplane wing, thrown ball, a UAP surface, a toy frisbee, and a cross section of a car. It is not the Bernoulli effect but the anti-gravity effect. They just work out the same with the equations.
Rick
Could you upload a video of your unit? It sounds a bit like the Walter Jenkins approach of exploding dry fog in the combustion chamber using a plasma spark plug times correctly. The timing was what stumped me. Aarum murasaki vaguely describes it.
You ask a few questions. I did not try this with more powerful spark plugs, good idea to investigate! . Bob was talking about the Papp engine. Of course wikipedia makes a joke about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Papp. I don't know the details, bit it had to do with a special sparkplug AND radioactive material. But be aware, you create EVO's and when the accumulate the engine can explode, as Papp's engine did.....
Henk,
Josef Papp's engine.
https://integrityresearchinstitute.org/PappEngine-Valone.pdf
The device worked on a mixture of noble gases and four spark plugs to heat the gases up to move the piston down and then the gases cooled down and the piston retracted.
Yes, it could explode as the electrons from the four spark plugs create antigravity waves, so the gases became blue shifted by being ionized. The atom has an x-ray cell surrounding it, then electrons, and then the protons and the neutrons. The gases being radioactive also helped to heat up the gas. The antigravity waves change the size of the x-ray cells so that the atom becomes ionized. The x-ray cell shrinks. The atom is in a different reference frame, or a different rate of time passage, so it gives off IR so it can return to its normal state which heats up the atoms along with the radioactivity. The radioactivity red shifts the atoms due to fission or their gravity wave emission due to their masses, so the there is some heat given off by this method to heat up the noble gases. The atom gains energy from being blue shifted and then redshifted so it loses this gained energy to return to normal size. A person has to get the correct current and voltage to accomplish this effect in the engine. The anti-gravity waves can change the properties of the engine's material composition by making the atoms of the materials of the engine turn into liquid and weakens the bonds between the atoms so the pressure of the expansion of the gases makes the cylinder explode. It is like cooling a metal down with liquid nitrogen and the metal becomes brittle and can be shattered. EVO's are electrons that give off additional anti-gravity waves. The more the engine has the more brittle the engines material leading to a failure of the engine's components.
Rick
What methane appliance do you have / use?
I'm going to try to get a reactor working on gasoline then try methane with a new rod at the recommended length. Ideally I think the methane production biodigester to closed loop pantone reactor to some sort of battery bank is worth a shot.
Remember what Dan Easton said - you still need to let it breathe.
Thumper,
This sound great!
Water Heater, furnace, and stove/oven.
Rick
I have solar panels and a power saver to accomplish this feat of saved electricity and methane gas. The solar panels and power saver make my home electrical circuit produce anti-gravity waves and I also get healthier as the anti-gravity waves turn back time and fix my DNA related diseases. The anti-gravity waves make my home electrical circuit superconducting and allow my solar panels to produce electricity at night with solar neutrinos from the sun.
Rick
The earths core is reversing due to the produced anti-gravity waves of the installed world solar panels and also making the cancer go down by 30% since the solar panels were installed. This is no joke and the world's governments and scientists know this but it national security and top secret as the people knowing would crash the economy so be careful with the information. The Helion Fusion device will make the production of anti-gravity waves much larger and the earths orbit and revolving will reverse as the time reverses. There are other things that will also happen due to this.
Thumper,
I don't have any video. Walter Jenkins engine ran on water and fossil fuel as they did this back in WWII with the fuel shortage.
http://rexresearch.com/jenkinwaterfuel/jenkins.html
My fusion engine is just using a basic ICE and putting 8-12 spark plug electrodes into the cylinder sparking at between 30,000 and 40,000 volts. The current cars spark at 10,000 volts which is only good for chemical reactions. I learned this from chatting with Avalanche energy. The 30,000 to 40.000 volts electron arcs will initiate fusion as electrons emit anti-gravity waves and turn back time to stop the positive nuclei from being repulsed and therefore attracted to one another and cause fusion to initiate and release the energy.
https://www.avalanche.energy/index.html
Sincerely,
Rick
You couldn't make a short video for us on your system?
Thumper,
I don't have a video of a Geet engine or a fusion ICE engine, but I have some diagrams to explain my thinking on this subject.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1whi7FCrcvFbEmkX_piek--vkwAeIDn8j
I hope this helps you.
Rick
How y'all making your rods?
Neighbor has a lathe, i would like to have one, but this is fine.
Think I might try grind it on the bench drill
I'm guessing most people are getting it milled by someone that knows what they are doing. That's my plan anyway
Looks to run nice. Looking forward to your temp readings. What target temp you got in mind on geet? 👍🏼
I did some temp readings. the motor temp is between 200 and 300dgrC The top of the GEET is too hot for the IR reader to measure, the bottom of the geet is 150-200 degr and the muffler is only 40 dgr, very low is my opinion. I have to do this measuring process a few times to come to better understanding where the heat is going. The intake pipe get's hot also, what is to be expected of course
Maybe you can put a T piece on top of geet and make looking glass that faces out horizontal? Maybe you can spot some fireworks... 😉
I did this before already. But I wanted to make a GEET system as close as possible to the designs I see om internet. My problem was that the looking glass was dirty in no-time. I will do is again what this basic system works.
Have you seen discolouration of the rod?
Help Sourcing parts!
The 1" 1/2" 1/2" reducing tee I'm struggling to find.
Anyone know where to buy this?
Yeah i'm going for the 1" equal tee using extra reducers.
I got most my parts from https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/artcraftworkshop
I used a 1" tee with two reducers attached for the same effect. You have to get the guy at your local hydrolics shop to mount the tee with the adaptor in it to face off and bore out the adaptor so the 1/2" seamless tube can fit through into the 1/2" tee.
Where do you live? 😂
In a metric world... UK
In lieu of this elusive reducing tee, a 1" tee with a reducing bush will have to be employed at increased cost 🤑 unless anyone knows better.
Cast iron fittings only has same outputs I believe. Try to go for 1” with reducer best way to go I recon. I got allot of my parts at Toolstation. That’s in UK. 😉👍🏼
What I found a website with a special device to add to a diesel engine. Antoine Gillier as the inventor. It is very simple, it adds water vapor to the intake, to mix with the air. In France it seems to be used a lot and it saves op to 75% on the fuel, that is a lot I think. Interesting enough to explore it for practical use. I can not copy a picture into this text field. When this really works I needs to be explained. http://www.econokit-india.com/econokit-technology/econokit-history
I just read his book, a good half day read that explains some of the history, the mechanics and some physics
Henk, would you consider a vacuum gauge to see if the level of vacuum achieved has a marked effect on the reactors behaviour. I had read that it is desired to be from 8 to 10 inches of mercury pulled on the line from the bubbler to the intake. Attached is what I was going to buy to maintain this, I'm not certain your plastic bubbler will allow it to reach this low pressure. I stand corrected but a gauge might not go a miss. It seems I cannot attach images in this thread yet...
I don not yet consider a vacuum gauge. I have the valve on the intake, while the plastic container can not stand the vacuum. That is the reason metal tanks, pots or sturdy cylinders are used as bubblers. Somewhere I read that this method of a valve in the intake is fine also. But I realize that under vacuum the evaporation of liquids goes much better. The liquid cools down also, because of the evaporation. So I see a challenge in the bubbler. Heating the bubbler with the exhaust heat also seems to be the logical way to go.
What are those flexible steel pipes called? Are they used for particular high heat jobs? Do you think they are the ideal piping for the exhaust side?
these pipes are made of stainless steel and are used in the solar systems for water. The size is suitable for 1" piping, so works fine for this small motor, same diameter as the exhaust pipe. example use https://www.stoveparts.nl/a-47906441-4650671/leiding-en-aansluit-materiaal/koppelingen-compleet-rvs-solar-leiding-naar-draad/?gclid=CjwKCAjwiOCgBhAgEiwAjv5whK_xf0EeB16VISg0ea1vgRfVXBk9_-TZpK2UEVU70pM4UBSfqzJ5sBoCaRIQAvD_BwE#description
I have an extra gas container for you to use as vacuum bubbler if you want Henk, its 380mm tall and 120mm wide. Was used for nitrous Oxide. I can deliver to you if you want. It’ a thick walled gas container. I havent put holes in this one. I got 3, so I can donate one if you like. 😉👍🏼
Hey mate let’s try and organise to get together in Qld, if you’re getting some results I can bring a Th doped scintillator and He3 neutron (evo) detector. Exafuse@gmail.com
Henk,
I learned how to do the ICE fusion engine by chatting with Avalanche Fusion Energy. Look it up on the Internet.
Rick
I’m actually in UK until Friday by chance
What parts have to be magnetic and why? I get that it's a good idea to ground the static change generated by the reactor but why do we think the rest of the components should me ferrous?
Compression driven GEET reaction!
I understood Dan said this is a Vacuum driven process,
however I have found one video at 2:17 https://rumble.com/v1nus7k-pastor-james-fritjof-persson-geet.html it shows an overlay clearly depicting compressed air into the bubbler, that then feeds a burner. Also at 2:30 show this compressor/burner setup.
I'm thinking of a propane burner setup for simplicity sake :/
REF PROPANE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OABtXG_CXJ4
The rod length is very short, Also noticed that it was omitted from the book of GEET is the shorter rods, the Propane and Water rods seem similar length by casual observations ~32mm.
Anyone know of any successful attempts along this track?
I can answer my own question with this diagram https://geetinternational.com/geet-class-book-he-01/
I wonder why he modified things? I guess his design is to just not naturally aspirated and is just trying to produce heat?
Thumper,
Here are the only videos that I have. They show the zero mass of the polyethylene plastic. The 12-volt battery packs charge up the surface of the plastic and then the electrons force the C and H atoms electrons into the atoms protons which yields zero charge, zero mass, and zero separation distance. My equation explains this. F=mq/r^2 that I derived from Newtons and the Coulomb equations. The gravity force is then zero. The equation E=mq/r shows the that the device then produces anti-gravity waves that I label on my spectrum in the space wave part. There are some other parameters to use for the equations such as geometric, voltage and current and the number of atoms on the surface or for the entire mass of the device to calculate the anti-gravity wave energy that it produced. If I attempt to throw the device, it is like throwing a baseball with no inertia and feels really strange. I also attach my paper on how I derived my equation. I also attach my diagrams of my devices and how I came to figure this all out by studying the sun and earth interiors. I also attach my star device that is easy to build and very inexpensive. I also attach my time machine with the star device powering it. I also attach my spectrum that describes the big bang.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1FfRUpgTppBTtUfQIm8J8JNISv_Rjs7R9
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1T0m8TQKUvPxBHXxaTLQVnpS2FU4XsFYG
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1j_YJkL-A4SIekfZTMuosDz5AsDLgBix-
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15IHKXalzXt3YfeXiOFjCiVaTF7zj3duh
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UqPXNJM3xLQNM48-ZfZVtVGWRA1h2GLQ
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1exkmDhKJhxquX-7wSxUmrUJy_EiRt9RE
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1QmRXpiQFVaFGdYi2VdGYvABIYEqB4r0W
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1b_fGzLQoD0za8KYOJ5hm1xsoaZCkvZ0s
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1i35IfF0rt8w99PtScU_xy6XuOUUo-ZUI
https://www.academia.edu/40755222/How_the_Sun_Generates_Power_with_the_Spinning_Spherical_Hole_Theory_with_Replication
I cannot finish my experiment because I need three more parts that are delayed until late April or early May. The UAP craft having zero mass by being produced out of plastic can achieve high accelerations and velocities without the occupants feeling the acceleration due to the produced anti-gravity waves putting the craft in a different space-time reference frame as per Einstein. Normal velocity and acceleration equations describe this behavior. a=v/t=x/t^2. Each gravity wave has its own time passage, so we see the UAP travel at a high velocity when it is really traveling at a low velocity. If the time passage inside the UAP reference frame is very large, then the acceleration and velocities are very small and vice versa for outside of the reference frame.
I hope I have explained this to you in an easy and correct manner.
Rick
Thumper,
Try to get an ICE machined in this manner. Never going to happen for ten years as the world governments transitions over the world economies.
Rick