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Rose Denehy's avatar

Thank you Bob for the review of Jones' "nano thermite hypothesis" which my little (old) brain could follow. I agree, nano thermite hypothesis is dead - it never had much life anyway but Jones tried.

I do have one question though. Why were all of his samples composed only of paint chips? Was that because he used a magnet to pick up the bits for his samples to be tested, thus leaving behind other bits of dust untested? Somehow I feel like that might still include other bits of WTC material and this question was rolling through my mind during your entire presentation of the makeup of the dust. I kept waiting for an explanation but apparently one wasn't needed and I am still puzzled. TIA.

Bob Greenyer's avatar

Pleasure, I will do a small follow up to deal with some of the things that people are still clinging on to.

In the paper, they discuss how they magnetically recovered the parts with a covered ordinary magnet. They had no explanation for how they were magnetic, but my finding that the metallic/grey part was Micaceous Iron Oxide explained that as it is weakly ferromagnetic.

Once they had recovered the pieces, they describe how they broke some to look at the constitution inside the pieces (thus avoiding contamination).

Rose Denehy's avatar

Thank you. I did understand that the MIO is weakly ferromagnetic. I'm stubborn though and feel they must have picked up other particles with the magnet that were not paint chips - especially bits of the steel frames of the buildings. The frames would have constituted a heck of a lot more volume than the paint. I'm sure there is a simple answer here that is eluding me.

Bob Greenyer's avatar

It is difficult to see a potentially thin layer of Iron on Iron oxide, especially when that Iron may itself oxidise.

Rust is not ferromagnetic.

Paint scraped or buckled off steel as flakes, is far more mobile than a steel beam.

You may be assuming any fragmented steel was at a size that would settle, rather than drift away in a breeze.

Rose Denehy's avatar

Now it makes sense. When I don't remember the basics then I question the simple things!

Simeon Hein's avatar

Excellent detective work, Bob. My view, based on witness testimony (my conversations with people who worked next to the WTC plaza at the time of the event, I lived in downtown NYC from 2010 to 2020 and grew up in the NY area) is that the jet fuel weakened the building structures. These buildings were in the Port Authority zone which has weaker building codes than NYC. Inspection videos from a few weeks before show poorly insulated metal beams. However, there were LENR/Coherent Energy Transformation effects in the area at the time, as seen in burning cars, at quite a distance away, with no intervening damage in objects. So the explosions must have been generated by resonant Ion Acoustic Waves creating tornado-like damage and dustification in the entire area with very specific electromagnetic destruction zones (just like we see with supercell tornadoes, ie. Charles Chandler.) I could be wrong, but this is my best assessment.

Simeon Hein's avatar

So that was Jone's motivation, he wanted to block the F&P patent. That rascal.

Bob Greenyer's avatar

One can look at it like that. That said, I have new respect for Jones. 1. He was exploring “Cold Nuclear Fusion” to explain geologically produced mass 3 element - and he called the agent a “quasi particle” - this particle could be and iton (that Matsumoto had a mass of 2 to 26 x the electron mass, or it could be an EVO etc. Whatever, it had to be something that pulled the reactants closer together.

Simeon Hein's avatar

This observation about Jone’s ideas makes a nice thread to the paper by the Israeli geologists a few months ago.

Bob Greenyer's avatar

Yes, it does. Of course there is the rock crushing Fe to 2 Al + 2n of Carpinteri that was building on Russian work. The first time I heard of such ideas was from Francesco Piantelli when Mathieu Valat and I visited him in Dec 2014 as part of project Fedora, he said “of course, you know this is going on inside the Earth”. I was delighted to hear this perspective, because, as many of those that follow my work know, it was the very first scientific question I had, “Why are the elements where they are in the concentrations they are in and on the Earth” - this was at an extremely young age and it came about because the only books we had in our house other than our King James family bible, was a full set of hard bound Encyclopaedia Britannica.

Simeon Hein's avatar

You were definitely ahead of your time with that kind of thinking. If we can tie these threads together it's a blockbuster of a new scientific outlook across all the disciplines. Newton was right about alchemy after all, even if he didn't understand the mechanism.

Nostradamus666's avatar

Professor Judy Wood is a grifter, in her public gatherings (paying audience) she refers to molten aluminium as "red hot" ... Her constant "giggling" during presentation is another sign. Pouring molten aluminium into a mold , which color does it have. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZwYGuxcvZrY

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

WTC Molten Metal: Fact or Fiction?

Analysis of the Evidence at Ground Zero

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/wtc-molten-metal-fact-or-fiction

Dr David A. Hughes interview with 9/11 Revisionist

Narrative vs. evidence; Morgan Reynolds; Mark Conlon; Shanksville; the Pentagon; Curt Weldon; survivors on Stairwell B; Richard Gage; Camp 2 propaganda techniques; the 9/11 Memorial Museum.

Interview: https://911revision.substack.com/p/david-hughes-on-the-importance-of

Nostradamus666's avatar

The burning cars came from the underground garage its said. The wast majority of jet fuel was consumed in the giant fire ball going out of the building just after impact as can be seen in videos, however whats mysterious is the gushing out of molten metal coming out of one of the buildings corner, window sized, it suggests a already present massive pool of molten metal at least 50-60cm high to be able to tip over the lower part of a window. molten metal was blamed on burning furniture which is utter BS, then they said it was molten aluminium with also is utter BS as molten Alu is quicksilver colored in a molten form and reflects its surroundings wavelengths , and you need a very big torch to melt so much Alu in one go and the metal that comes out on the "outside are yellow" which suggest molten iron. The videos from the inspection i have seen shows massive amount of asbestos on all beams, the videos needs to be compared. The port authority at the time was controlled by men with small hats. The use of nano termite is not debunked but how Jones could miss the paint is peculiar unless he is a limited hangout sent to cause "attention distraction". Se you in Valhalla!

Bob Greenyer's avatar

This analysis was only about dealing with the actual basic hypothesis upon which all other things were constructed. Since the basis for the hypothesis, all other derivative discussion points must have another explanation.

Nostradamus666's avatar

i just replied on Simon Heins hypothesis, btw i dont consider everything else have a base in Jones hypothesis , you can still have nano termite and the real evidence of that are removed and others are put in on the ground below, like as, where are the molten pools of aluminium and iron as we can see gushing out of the window? How come Jones missed that? yet 2 unburnt pristine passports of the so called terrorists was found among the rubble. Other problem Jones have is he's not dealing with in his e.g What Accounts for the Molten Metal Observed on 9/11/2001?" paper is the "video technology" available at the time, like is there compression format that alters colors and resolution on final video etc, etc. I dont mind standing gravitational waves, Giza death star beams by space alien monkeys, whatever but it would be nice with some evidence as "Reality is in the eye of the beholder as the first course in philosophy teaches".

Nostradamus666's avatar

Besides the building gives off massive amount of dense very dark smoke which suggests something is of a low temperature incomplete burn.

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

9/11 FACTS that hurt people's feelings

43 FACTS that cannot be explained due to jet fuel, bombs, thermite or nukes

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-facts-that-hurt-peoples-feelings

WTC Molten Metal: Fact or Fiction?

Analysis of the Evidence at Ground Zero

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/wtc-molten-metal-fact-or-fiction

Bob Greenyer's avatar

A collection of claims that are all derivative from the poorly done original study.

Nano-Thermite hypothesis is dead, not just from the poor analysis done, but because the same components in standard Anti-Corrosion paints explain the magnetic recovery they had no explanation for (Micaceous Iron Oxide is weakly ferro magnetic), The cross-linked Polysiloxane binder swells as they observed etc.

All these things are verifiable with simple research. It is shocking that the so-called ‘scientific paper’ has been able to fool people this long.

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

9/11 FACTS that hurt people's feelings

43 FACTS that cannot be explained due to jet fuel, bombs, thermite or nukes

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-facts-that-hurt-peoples-feelings

Tommy S.'s avatar

Hi Bob,

tp.sven (Tommy S.) here, I have been watching all of your sessions from way back, maybe from 2016...can remember any more when the fun it started.

Thanks for all the fantastic presentations, it has really been a journey of rediscovery, I have learnt so much from you.

I'm currently trying to convince more people to join the ride but at this point the sheer size of the material (~500 videos 2-4 hours long) discouraged many people that initially shows interest.

Do you have a compiled list, with a good sequence, of presentations to watch to catch up?

To not deter skeptical people, a list of science stuff and leave out the esoteric part for now, the people that will pursue the truth will fall down the rabbit hole anyway and end up having to deal with concept like consciousness,...

I'm trying to contribute to the deployment of the Plasmoid Technology a.s.a.p to save our future, I'm trying to convince people by showing the evidence and science of what the Plasmoids are and can do, let's say at this point with a mixed result.

I believe that a compiled list of videos and presentations would make a huge difference.

BR Tommy

Bob Greenyer's avatar

Hi Tommy, Let me think on that. Note, I deliberately made presentations longer for two reasons, 1. short presentations took 3-6 x longer to make and 2. I wanted to make it difficult for paid people to follow (since paid people are not necessarily good actors).

Now that the cat is truly out of the bag, I will try to focus on making more succinct material and likely a book - but this will take a lot of time.

Tommy S.'s avatar

Hi Bob, that sound really awesome, I will be first in line to buy the book :-)

I know you have a lot on your plate and that you are swamped with work.

But mean while waiting for the Book, would it be possible for you to use a couple of minutes, from the top of your mind, to compile a first small list of videos on where to start?

Say the topp 5 to 10 videos at RemoteView.

It would help me to get more people engaged.

Dalton Aldrup's avatar

Wonderful post! Thermite at the WTC is dead and buried!

I am glad that we are well and truly past the, "Is the phenomenon real and repeatable?" phase. We can get down to the brass tacks regarding the topic without fear of dismissal with no rebuttal. I understand that is not what you are addressing here, I'm just thankful.

In regards to your first topic, I have a different interpretation of Steven "Los Alamos" Jones. I believe his early good work was a necessary limited hangout to establish his credibility in dismissing P & F. His time working for / adjacent to government betrays his moral ineptitude, in my opinion. I understand potential motivations for avoiding the obvious implications and leaving it to the viewer ( for now ).

The thermite theory is automatically dismissed by observing the disintegration of the Twin Towers, though I appreciate the thoroughness of explaining the red / grey chips.

Again, thanks for your incredible work!

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

Give my article a read through.

9/11 Truth Suppression Timeline

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline

Bob Greenyer's avatar

Aluminium melts to a fluid before it glows. The real anomaly is when Aluminium glows but is not yet a fluid or is a fluid without being hot.

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

Hi Bob

Thank you for the comment, but what about these papers by Dr Judy Wood?

1. Aluminum Glows - https://www.drjudywood.com/articles/aluminum/Aluminum_Glows.html

2. Thermite and Glowing Liquid Aluminum - https://www.drjudywood.com/articles/why/why_indeed.html

Links from my article;

The 100 days of "smoke" at ground zero.

The COLD Rubble Pile at the World Trade Center...

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/the-100-day-fuming-and-molecular

I highly recommend studying the blog:

The Thermite Free Zone

Link: http://911thermitefree.blogspot.com/

You can download the Refutation of Richard Gage’s Game in 2008 AND 2023: https://truthsummit.info/media-files/DrJudyWood-refutation-RichardGage-claims.pdf

And yes, indeed the real anomaly is when Aluminium glows but is not yet a fluid or is a fluid, without being hot.

Just like Nikola Tesla that could make solid matter disappear.

Listen to Dr. Andrija Puharich on Nikola Tesla: Correcting the Record.

Link: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-tesla-and-the-military-industrial

Bob Greenyer's avatar

The melting point of Al is 660.3 °C

In a dark room one might detect a very faint dark brown emission. Technically it is ‘glowing’ that is to say, emitting photons in the visible spectrum. ALL matter is emitting photons if above absolute zero, there will be a lot of IR photons. See heat colours below.

https://i.sstatic.net/uGB7l.jpg

In anything other than a dark room, the silvery specular nature of Aluminium, will saturate the eye. So, it is molten before it is visibly glowing.

If you heat it more above its melting point, then it will start to resemble other molten metals in that the visible photons emitted will exceed the reflected photons.

The real interesting phenomena, is where it is emitting as if at very high temperature, but holding together as a gel or solid, the former was claimed to be observed by John Hutchison and the latter by Griffin Brock. In the case of John Hutchison, it remained in the gel like state after the fields were turned off and it had stopped glowing, allowing Alek Pizzaro to leave his fingers in the Al which it is said, was cold to the touch. Dr. George Egely recorded a similar account from when a Ball Lightning hit the Al frame of a train carriage window in Hungary, the passenger could manipulate the aluminium for about 20 minutes with his fingers. Others have seen similar things technologically produced, like Ralph Ring.

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

O, wow - Thank you for that added information.

Much appreciated.

Bob Greenyer's avatar

Helps when you have personally sand-cast aluminium.

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

Hi Bob

Hope you like my article;

Ending the Nano-Thermite 9/11 Hypothesis for the World Trade Center Catastrophe

With basic, easy to verify research - Case closed.

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/ending-the-nano-thermite-911-hypothesis

X Post: https://x.com/911Revisionist/status/1975187032268845318

Jimmy's avatar

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9/11 Revisionist's avatar

Hey Bob - This should be a laugh a minute read...

Response by Niels Harrit, PhD. to Bob Greenyer's "Ending the NanoThermite 9/11 Hypothesis" Video ('It's Just Paint')

Harrit Clarifies Proof of NanoThermite in the Red/Gray Chips

Article: https://richardgage911.substack.com/p/response-by-niels-harrit-phd-to-bob

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

Hi Bob

Denis Rancourt has responded in my comment sections of my article.

Here are three links for you to look at.

1. https://denisrancourt.substack.com/p/proof-that-claims-that-the-covid/comment/163810769

2. https://911revision.substack.com/p/ending-the-nano-thermite-911-hypothesis/comment/164188377

3. https://substack.com/@denisrancourt/note/c-164188372

Ending the Nano-Thermite 9/11 Hypothesis for the World Trade Center Catastrophe

With basic, easy to verify research - Case closed.

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/ending-the-nano-thermite-911-hypothesis

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

Looking forward to your stream in a wee little bit.

I would like to drop some more info, if I may?

The molecular dissociation of the thermite & nuke theories

People are so easily led by perceived "experts".

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/the-controlled-demolition-of-thermite

Expanded: The controlled demolition of the 9/11 thermite theory

People are so easily led by perceived "experts".

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/expanded-the-controlled-demolition

I highly recommend studying the blog: The Thermite Free Zone

Link: http://911thermitefree.blogspot.com/

You can download the Refutation of Richard Gage’s Game in 2008 AND 2023: https://truthsummit.info/media-files/DrJudyWood-refutation-RichardGage-claims.pdf

WTC Molten Metal: Fact or Fiction?

Analysis of the Evidence at Ground Zero

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/wtc-molten-metal-fact-or-fiction

Your guide to debunking thermite on 9/11

Molten Steel and Thermite has never been taken to court

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/your-guide-to-debunking-thermite

Thermite Revisited & Demolished in 2024

Aerospace Engineer discusses the truth about thermite and September 11, 2001

Presentation: https://911revision.substack.com/p/thermite-revisited-and-demolished

Anatomy of a 9/11 Thermite Brainwashing Operation

I recently discovered the existence of an e-book from 2010

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-911-thermite-brainwashing

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Bob Greenyer's avatar

My presentation was to do with NanoThermite, so I will answer in that context.

Heinz is trying to be inclusive to all the theories and in that respect, his whole hypothesis relies on Nano Thermite to create ‘the chimney’ that will allow the observed collapse form under the ‘mini-nuke’ hypothesis.

Since we now know the Nano-Thermite theory is dead, based on the actual key data points in the paper that is the foundation for it, the Heinz theory that relies on it is also dead.

The Bedrock in New York state is granite and is known to contain varying concentrations of Uranium, this will have Uranium decay products, including Strontium. A signature of underlying Uranium is Radon levels, look at Fig. 5. Everywhere around Manhattan is >148 with no upper limit defined.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2408084121

The Granite was 70m below ground.

So, hypothesis that relies on a dead hypothesis is, by default, also dead. Moreover, the products of the hypothesis were already there, leaving it double dead.

Basic research.

Dianthus's avatar

Ok thnx. Yes, you are right here. From what I have seen of the evidence or it all ( best ones are these for me: https://video.icic.law/w/dHiDepP9toftX9TWbHDYBp , https://video.icic.law/w/6vAGH5NPBc9UcC9RKw4ik7 , https://video.icic.law/w/r6eH1YiiQ9viARx8Us823n , https://rumble.com/v4d7x6l-directed-energy-weapon-downs-wtc.html ) it seems for me a weapon that uses some sort of electromagnetic energy. Beams of buildings around where turned towards the towers and ball lighting has probably also something to do with the effects of that weapon. If we know now that thermite is not used, then the chances that it was one thing like a weapon, increases a lot.

So thermite is out, planes ( if it where real planes ant not drones looking like a plane ) with the fuel effects are out, planted bombs or even a nuke are out, then probably we are looking at the effect of one cause ant not a few causes together. That is my personal take of the moment.